scriptures cannot define what scripture are by itself

evolution is hogwash

2011-06-11T23:00:00.001-07:00

ive had diahrea now for almost 4 weeks. and i dont have access to a real toilet except for the one at the gas station.
it takes about 20 min to get there and back.
i get the flu 2x a year. or i get sick regardless of what is going around.
i broke my back 3 times in my life, and the last time i kept rebreaking it whenever i try to work for money.
i should be dead several times over by pure conspiracy of poisoning.
ive already had one heart attack with a stroke where my eye went blind.
i woke up one day with a golf ball size tumor in my neck. most likely intentionally injected that night while i slept.
when i had the heart attack, i had previously woken up while someone was injecting a needle in my arm. go figure the coincidence of that, i was already drugged enough to black only after a litte resistance.
i woke up another time when i tied the door shut with a "rope" so it couldnt be opened and still someone managed to convince me to sleep walk over and try and open the door by pushing against it. while someone else injected another needle into my legg.
i had the bones in my feet broken 3 times. One of those times i was sleeping in my car with the doors also tied together with rope.
the other 2 times i was asleep in my bed, and supposedly the only one who had a key to the dead bolt on the door. i had needles injected into my ankles and knees. and i walk in continual pain, even when i do find temporary work. i woke up one day and found my ears were broken. like i had my eardrums exploded, and for 2 years i suffered deafness and blood and puss coming out of one of them.
when i had the cancer I loss 4 toe nails that peeled off like post it paper. and when they grew back one of them almost always grows back as an ingrown toe nail. while the other nails accumulated some mold or fungus infection and never grow normally
i have an eye that droops lower the other eye, people call it a "crazy mans' eye" when it is most probably caused by a stroke or one of the several other strokes i have had. i do wake up and half my brain is paralyzed
for more than 15 years now, when i lay down on a flat surface i get intense back muscle spasms. and just this week i had my foot crushed. sandwiched squeezed between a fork lift trying lift up a steel pipe when it actually pushed my foot against a wheel for a welding tank. it bruised and i was sent home from work the next day, where i might have lost 1/3 of my temporary work from this contractor alone.

do you have all these problems?
do you have people that are literally trying to murder you?
ive been tortured, tormented and terrorized by people for the last 30 years of my life. suffering sleep deprivation for literally 13 years. all because, probably because i am a "witness" for jesus christ.
its a spiritual war in this world. !

yes,
the history of the theory of evolution only began with Darwin and origins of the species.
crystal clear is the english word "create"
and God created man in His own image.

as a witness it is crystal clear, that I KNOW there is aGod. and angels.

but to an unsaved youth, who grew up in a government scientificallly controlled school system that cast out all reference to a christian God there is no suspicion that a God even exists.
not even a hint or a clue. unless there is still religion practiced at home, even then peer pressure is designed to lead unlearned youth astray.

piltdown man proves that science and archeologists, among other frauds, are inventing a false reality, that is worse than the fairy tale Atheists accuse christians of believing in.

Alex Jones Tv (HD) Gun Control Rant of 2009!!!

2011-02-12T19:45:00.000-08:00

this is a youtube video about banning guns in America. its a 2nd ammendment violation
everyone
bush is a nazi and both Obama and Hilary are Marxists.
doesnt this mean anything to anyone

a yahoo question about Tv shows

2011-01-06T07:26:00.000-08:00

Do You Watch any of these TV SHOWS?
human target

hells kitchen

dr. phil

oprah

judge judy

dancing with the stars

wwe raw

american idol

the view

16 & pregnant

o'reilly factor

i dont watch any of them,
i dont have access to a tv.

i did watch Oreily once upon time. but i see him for what i think he is. a Shrill
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shrill

ever since i learned about Cronkite being a World Government adherent,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd2M4S5D1uc&feature=related#

i realized a truth, that most people in top positions, specfically in media, have been propaganda outlets. since Cronkite was called the truth of the nation, and yet he was a liar underneath it all, it proves to me that its all a HUGE scam.
its all a lie.

after listening to Alex jones describe what hollywood does with all its movies for propaganda and brainwashing i realized how brainwashed and controlled this country REALLY is.

so, though i loved TV, i hate what i see it becoming. and i dont watch any of these shows,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbBOnopr4iM

everything is fundamentally Wrong/ Lloyd Pie
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.office.live.com/self.aspx/2Godsproductions/LoydPie32EverythingISfundamentalyWrong.wma

p.s. even when i did have a TV, i didnt watch WWE RAW, or american idol or Oprah, or dancing with stars,

2010-12-23T08:03:00.000-08:00

Let them Call the witch-hunts "profane" and the victims were people
The Book of Mormon is very specific about stories a prophets that were burned the stakes. the powerful political leaders were antichrists, their abuse of power was among the greatest of evils.

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a great story of the Book of mormon describes the wickedness of men who abuse their power because of unrighteousness.

8And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be acast into the fire; and they also brought forth their records which contained the holy scriptures, and cast them into the fire also, that they might be bburned and destroyed by fire.

9And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of amartyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire.

10And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the apower of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.

11But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in aglory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the bjudgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the cblood of the dinnocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.

12Now Amulek said unto Alma: Behold, perhaps they will burn us also.

13And Alma said: Be it according to the will of the Lord. But, behold, our work is not finished; therefore they burn us not.

14Now it came to pass that when the bodies of those who had been cast into the fire were consumed, and also the records which were cast in with them, the chief judge of the land came and stood before Alma and Amulek, as they were bound; and he smote them with his hand upon their acheeks, and said unto them: After what ye have seen, will ye preach again unto this people, that they shall be cast into a blake of fire and brimstone?

15Behold, ye see that ye had not power to save those who had been cast into the fire; neither has God saved them because they were of thy faith. And the judge smote them again upon their cheeks, and asked: What say ye for yourselves?

16Now this judge was after the order and faith of aNehor, who slew Gideon.

17And it came to pass that Alma and Amulek answered him anothing; and he smote them again, and delivered them to the officers to be bcast into prison.

18And when they had been cast into prison three days, there came many alawyers, and judges, and priests, and teachers, who were of the profession of Nehor; and they came in unto the prison to see them, and they questioned them about many words; but they answered them nothing.

19And it came to pass that the judge stood before them, and said: Why do ye not answer the words of this people? Know ye not that I have apower to deliver you up unto the flames? And he bcommanded them to speak; but they answered nothing.

20And it came to pass that they departed and went their ways, but came again on the morrow; and the judge also smote them again on their cheeks. And many came forth also, and smote them, saying: Will ye stand again and judge this people, and condemn our law? If ye have such great power why do ye not adeliver yourselves?

21And many such things did they say unto them, gnashing their teeth upon them, and spitting upon them, and saying: How shall we look when we are damned?

22And many such things, yea, all manner of such things did they say unto them; and thus they did amock them for many days. And they did withhold food from them that they might hunger, and water that they might thirst; and they also did take from them their clothes that they were naked; and thus they were bbound with strong cords, and confined in cprison.

23And it came to pass after they had thus suffered for many days, (and it was on the twelfth day, in the tenth month, in the tenth year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi) that the chief judge over the land of aAmmonihah and many of their teachers and their lawyers went in unto the prison where Alma and Amulek were bound with cords.

24And the chief judge stood before them, and smote them again, and said unto them: If ye have the apower of God deliver yourselves from these bands, and then we will believe that the Lord will destroy this people according to your words.

25And it came to pass that they all went forth and smote them, saying the same words, even until the last; and when the last had spoken unto them the apower of God was upon Alma and Amulek, and they rose and stood upon their feet.

26And Alma cried, saying: How long shall we suffer these great aafflictions, O Lord? O Lord, bgive us strength according to our faith which is in Christ, even unto cdeliverance. And they broke the cords with which they were bound; and when the people saw this, they began to flee, for the fear of destruction had come upon them.

27And it came to pass that so great was their fear that they fell to the earth, and did not obtain the outer door of the aprison; and the earth shook mightily, and the walls of the prison were rent in twain, so that they fell to the earth; and the chief judge, and the lawyers, and priests, and teachers, who smote upon Alma and Amulek, were slain by the fall thereof.

28And Alma and Amulek came forth out of the prison, and they were not hurt; for the Lord had granted unto them apower, according to their faith which was in Christ. And they straightway came forth out of the prison; and they were bloosed from their cbands; and the prison had fallen to the earth, and every soul within the walls thereof, save it were Alma and Amulek, was slain; and they straightway came forth into the city.

29Now the people having heard a great noise came running together by multitudes to know the cause of it; and when they saw Alma and Amulek coming forth out of the prison, and the walls thereof had fallen to the earth, they were struck with great fear, and fled from the presence of Alma and Amulek even as a goat fleeth with her young from two lions; and thus they did flee from the presence of Alma and Amulek.

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the stories do not end there,
the salem witch trials began with the earnest desire to keep the commandments of God, when it was found that 3 girls were caught with a book of witchcraft. the girls themselves turned the guiltiness from their own heads, to the allegations of innocent people who were killed in other profane ways.
Clearly these recent historical events were what the founding Fathers of U.S. were thinking of when they created Amendment 8, and denied excessive Bail, or cruel and unusual punishment.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

clearly the Catholic church had a history of this kind of abuse of power, and also historicallly the Nazi Regime of Germany did similar things against the Jews, and also in every part of history, abuses of men by Government and Wicked Men have risen in every society where Atheism and satanism has flourished. in many instances the Lust for blood has turned into cannibalism as religious rituals.

None of these things should be done.
For if it be the will of God, He will Judge the world and the people therein.

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3 Nephi 9:10
And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.

Doctrine and Covenants 63:
17Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the fearful, and the unbelieving, and all liars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the whoremonger, and the sorcerer, shall have their part in that lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

18Verily I say, that they shall not have part in the first resurrection.

19And now behold, I, the Lord, say unto you that ye are not justified, because these things are among you.

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wickedness and abominations and sorceries and witchcrafts, priestcrafts, and secret combinations are the buzz-words of a people that are MORE wicked than others.
The book of mormon and D&C do allow the use of Herbs with "prudence" but the bible condemns the use of Homeopathy. while, at the same time, describing God giving commandment to gather ingredients to create a medicine that cures a poison of the land. So, there is something to be said for having medicines. which are allowed, and something to be said for creating poisons that are not allowed.
Some medicines are the same thing as poison. Most drugs and pharmecuticals will Kill a person by simply causing Organ failure. i am told that ALL drugs cause psychosis. through Eugenics, wicked men are waging war against honest people. these sciences might just as well be called witchcraft and sorcery, there are definitely secret combinations behind the deeds of men and government. these things can be called sorceries because of mind control and because of poison. Simply put, 100 thousand people die each year because of pharmecuticals, some statistics say as many as 300 thousand a year. And yet the Government spends trillions of dollars in a war against terrorism for the sake of a couple thousand dead civilians and ignore the minimum of 28 thousand dead at the South borders of texas and arizona. The government is becoming what the Other types of societies have already been described. The patriot act, was written by such wicked men that are similar to Nazi Germany, which laws destroy freedom and liberty and make patriots and christians, alike with jews, to be enemies of the state. Such laws PROVE that american politicians are the same as Nazi Germany.
unless men repent, it will be God that judges the political witchcrafts and the people of america. and whereever Atheism and tyrannical dictatorships are found.

Can WE THE PEOPLE repent of our ways? can we turn away from our sins and forsake evil? can evil men Stop what they are doing, or will it be said in our generation, the same thing that was said in the land when God destroyed everyone except the More righteous. ? !

3 Nephi 7:7
And they did cause a great contention in the land, insomuch that the more righteous part of the people had nearly all become wicked; yea, there were but few righteous men among them.
3 Nephi 9:13
O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you?

yahoo R&S
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101223075458AAh3DLt

all presidents since Kennedy are murderers

2010-10-16T20:20:00.000-07:00

the scriptures say, that those who shed innocent blood are murderers.

after watching Alex Jones terror storm, i learned a valueable history Lesson, which cannot be denied. 5 epoch false flag Conspiracies were enacted and described in as few as 16 minutes of the beginning of the video.

if these allegation are true, War crimes, indictments and prosecution MUST be implemented against all living presidents or Justice is DEAD. including Obamma. and Bush Sr. and Bush jr.

MOVIE - Fallen

2010-05-10T03:29:00.000-07:00

Find A Movie
link to movie fallen

i rented this movie, and found it entertaining as a variable theology.
its four hours long, so dont think you can rent this and view on a casual night.
its worth watching to me, for a couple of reasons.

i mentioned this on Q&A R&S as an alternate theology theory how, sons of God and saviours might be born.
however, on Yahoo, when i wrote what i did, i didnt realize that this Redeemer was a half breed Nephelim.
in this movie the Angels consider all nephelim as bastards.

of course, in the book of genesis, Nephelim were taught to be GIANTs born of fallen angels and mortal women.
however, in LDS theology, i found a statement ONCE about how this contemporary story could be vain imagination.
or something that has been distorted from what it really meant.

jesus rebuked Peter calling him SATAN

2010-03-31T17:59:00.000-07:00

Jesus also said upon this Rock will i build the kingdom and the gates of hell shall not prevail

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Did jesus found the catholic church...i have a bible verse?
ok. so FIRST off, jesus chose 12 apostles, and peter as the 'head'

person he told him in Matthew 16:18 - 19: "and so i say to you, you are

Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church, and the gates of the

netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to

the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in

heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

so the 12 apostles were suppose to spread the word of God and they

needed more people to do that too, so they appointed bishops and

priests....well. the catholic church has popes and the first one was

peter and through matthew 16:18-19 with jesus saying MY church and

giving peter the keys to his kingdom...shouldn't it be said that Jesus

founded the catholic church. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! listen.

CATHOLIC is just a name....a WORD. JUST because it isn't IN the Bible

doesn't mean it is not true. catholics gave names to the definitions

that didn't have a name to belong to it. btw purgatory isn't in the

bible BUT it is mentioned figuratively through many verses, catholics

just put a NAME to it.

Sorry for all the caps, but i wanted to get my point across. somewhere.

Please give answers that had some thought to it.

i dont think the catholic church was EVEN begun with PETER.
in protestant bibles there are verses that are missing in the NiV
jesus turned to Peter and rebuked him: saying Satan you do not desire

what the will of God is.
Mark 8: 33
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he

rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not

the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

that said: if there is a remote FACT that Peter did become the first

POPE, which i highly doubt, by the 8th and 9th the catholic church

defaulted on the commandment of God to Marry and made priests to become

Celibate. before those dates celibacy was not the RULE it was the

exception.

and if you dont accept this, there were two rivalrys between families

that practiced poisoning among themselve and 2 popes that were actually

excommunicated.
so the verses in Galatian 1:6-9 actually does pertain to the catholics

just as much as it does to protestants.

if Mark 8:33 is true, and Jesus turned to peter but was speaking to

satan! does this mean Peter was posessed
if he was literally rebuking Peter, it would also be symbolic of

rebuking the entire catholic church for following the Things That MEN

LOVE, more than the thigns of God.

to be fair, i have been taught that this verse 8:33 doesnt exist in

original documents.
but if it didnt "exist" in the first place it proves that scriptures

have been altered in the 2nd place.
somewhere in history Someone is lying and altering text. and did not

jesus say scriptures cannot be broken. ?

other people answered:
Catholicism is not Christian. Catholicism leads to eternal torment in

hell, because catholicism teaches works for salvation, and that is a

false gospel of works (Galatians 1:6-9) that is against JESUS'S free

gift of salvation!

And catholicism will not give you a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus,

which is what JESUS wants with you!

So, you need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in JESUS

for His free gift of salvation!

It's clear from the Book of Acts in the Bible that catholics didn't even

exist during the days of Acts. Catholicism didn't exist for over 300

years after Jesus. And catholicism didn't exist for over 200 years after

the Bible was complete and compiled. Those in the Book of Acts are the

first Christians, and they believed what would be called fundamentalist

doctrine today. ANYONE can read the Book of Acts for themselves and see.

Had catholicism existed during the time of Acts, the first Christians

would have rejected catholicism completely.

And there is no "pope" in the Bible. Every "pope" is a false prophet.

Also there's TONS of Christians who also completely rejected

catholicism, long before Martin Luther was even born. Catholicism

murdered millions and millions of Christians. :*(

So not only is it wrong for anyone to say that "catholics were the first

Christians", but this blows away the catholic claim that "no churches

existed other than the catholic church, until Martin Luther".

There were ALWAYS saved believers outside the catholic cult, who knew

catholicism cannot save anyone.

Catholicism cannot save. Only believing in Jesus for His free gift of

salvation, is what saves!

So, catholics need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in

JESUS for His free gift of salvation!

Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much! :D And the Trinity is

true!

The truth about Jesus is that the only way to be saved and to get into

heaven and avoid being sent to hell, is by believing in Jesus for His

free gift of salvation, believing in faith alone that Jesus, who is God,

died on the cross for all our sins as FULL PAYMENT for all our sins, and

then Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe in Jesus

for His free gift of salvation, and you will be in heaven, no matter

what!

Salvation is a FREE GIFT that happens in a split second when you believe

in Jesus alone to save you! It is impossible to lose or "leave"

salvation (John 6:39-40, John 10:28, 1 John 5:13).

Please pray now: "Jesus, I believe that You died on the cross to pay for

my sins and that You rose from the dead, and I thank You for eternal

life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die! :D
14 minutes ago

No. Catholicism is false. The rock is Jesus.

Catholicism isn't Christian. They worship the pope when they should be

worshiping Jesus, man made rules, teach works for salvation, added books

to the Bible, worship statues and loads of other idolatry. It can't

save. Only Jesus can. Please pray a sincere prayer with all of your

heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His

blood pays off all of your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life.

I pray that God blesses you with peace. Amen.
14 minutes ago

Yes check out John Martinogni at

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php I think you will like his

stuff especially Which Came First, the Church or the Bible? at

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/download
13 minutes ago

The "Rock" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is the faith in Jesus

Christ as Lord and Savior. It is not Peter himself but rather what peter

believed about Jesus that was the rock Jesus described.

I'm sorry you are confused. But I hope you figure it out soon.
12 minutes ago

no, the Rock is Jesus. The Church is not built on the apostles, but

Jesus.

Jesus also called Peter "Satan".

The word "catholic" meant universal. Ironically, the Catholic church was

the first non denominational fellowship. These days it is the most

denominational.
11 minutes ago

no, it was founded by the roman empire more than 300 years after Jesus

death.
It would be like a government in the year 2310 starting a religion based

on the life of Barack Obama and claiming that he was the one who started

the religion.

Apparently some historians see it as attempt to stop the roman empire

disintegrating.
10 minutes ago

Peter wasn't the ''lead'' apostle

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Petros)
, and upon this rock (petra)
I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against

it.

two different 'rocks'

you need to read about the history of the catholic church
9 minutes ago

Jesus never gave any authority to written Scripture but instead to His

Church who in turn wrote Scripture to be interpreted within His Church

under the authority given by Him. St. Paul confirms this authority of

the Church through apostolic succession when He instructed to hold fast

what was taught by Word (oral) and letter (written). The Church does not

have the authority to relinquish that which God has given regardless of

the burden of protecting the Church. The Scriptures promise that this

Church is the “bulwark and ground of the truth” and that promise will

forever remain true.

The Church was also given the authority to come to clearer understanding

of the truth in the living Church but such understanding should not take

away from the teaching of the apostles but illuminate it. The authority

given to the Church is great Jesus saying that the Church has the

authority to bind and loose and again the Church is powerless to

abdicate this divine responsibility. Some may say the Scriptures are

true because of the truth they reveal in prophetic testimony and I say

that the Church is true because of its testimony as an enduring Church

for 2000 years just as Christ promised. The only high court of appeal is

our founder, high priest and Savior Jesus the Christ who has never

failed His Church, this relationship no book can supplant for it is

through Him that the Church derives its holiness and its veracity and

its immortality.

One cannot deny that the foundation of all Christianity through His

Church is based on Christ’s words to St. Peter before the disciples.

There is no doubt from the construction vernacular that Jesus was

instructing them to build a Church with them as the foundation stones

and Himself as the cornerstone. He built no other Church as no other was

needed because the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic, Church derives its

perfection from Him through His promises. He prayed that we all be one

within this Church. He said this Church would endure until the Parousia.

He said of this Church that the gates of hell would not prevail against

it. He said that He would be with this Church until the end of time. The

Scriptures confirms these promises saying that this Church is the

“pillar and ground of the truth”. He did not plan for the Church to be

without leadership after the apostles died but provided that they choose

successors to replace them in the enduring Church. This is confirmed it

the book of Acts.

One can suggest that this Church is not the Church that Christ gave

these promises and authority to but who else can support a claim that

they are the true church represented by these promises if not the

Catholic church. Some will suggest that the true church is the Gnostics

or the Arians? Certainly remnants of those churches remain in modern

incarnations of these heresies but can one claim the enduring

characteristic promised by Christ? There is certainly no evidence that

anyone can make a legitimate claim to Christ’s promises other than the

Catholic Church. Some critics may claim that the reason that the

Catholic Church has endured is because of political connections, but the

truth is that it has endured because of the miracles of our Lord who

persuaded a Pagan emperor to stop his persecution of the Church and not

by some agreement of men. It is hard to persuade someone who is intent

on your annihilation. Only God could convict the heart of the Pagan

Emperor Constantine.

I would agree that there have always been those believers known to God

who will be saved and I agree but I do not agree that those people are

outside of His Church nor do I believe that it is possible for salvation

without His Church but that it is possible only through his Church,

Although I acknowledge, as does the Church, that this union may be

imperfect, as with our separated brethren with different degrees of the

fullness of truth which is perfected in His Church. All believers are

taught by God through His Church.

While St. Paul spoke about the great apostasy, is it possible that he

was speaking of the apostasy of the enduring Church that He created.

Would not that apostate element be more described in the churches

proceeding from the Reformation? Does the Bible not teach that we will

know them by their fruits? It does and what are the fruits of the

Reformation.

Reducing the Word of God to a book and confusing the truth with tens of

thousands of exponentially increasing schisms in the dilution of the

truth. Did not Christ pray that we all be one in His Church?

By forbidding the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ from

Protestant worship.

Reducing salvation to a one time assent to faith and then teaching

antinomianism.

Rejecting the authority Christ established.

These are just a few of the signs of a church in apostasy as represented

by the Protestant churches. Could there be a better example of decay and

perversion.

We can all agree as Christians that only God knows who are His faithful

but do not let us confuse the facts of His teaching that we are to be

one in the Church that He created. There is the Church that is gathered

around the Bishop as the early Church is described by St. Ignatius and

then there is the Church known only to God made up of those whose heart

is pure in their love and devotion to God. But regardless they all will

be saved by that which is promised to endure which is His Church. We can

only pray that he will be merciful to the apostate and that they find

the truth before it is too late.

In Christ
Fr. Joseph
6 minutes ago

What Jesus did not say, however, was that St. Peter's successors would

take his place as head of the church. And even if you believe they

would, there's no definitive way to state who Peter's successors would

be. There is no evidence in scripture that he was ever Bishop of Rome,

or that if he was that it would automatically imply that the next Bishop

of Rome would be his successor.

In fact, if you know your church history, the doctrine of Papal

Supremacy didn't arise for several hundred years. And when it did it

caused such a fuss that the official church of the day finally split

into what we now call "The Roman Catholic Church" and the "Eastern

Orthodox Church".

The verse you quote has been interpreted in many ways. By itself, I do

not think it can establish the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.
1 minute ago

sorry but the catholic church is in the bible

Many people argue that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by

Jesus Christ beginning with Peter and the Apostles. One argument often

made is that the phrase “Catholic Church” does not appear within the

pages of Scripture.

Aside from the fact that this argument is weak since the words “trinity”

and “Bible” are not contained in Holy Writ either, is it really true

that the Catholic Church is not named in the Bible? Well, take a look at

the following verse from the Acts of the Apostles, and decide for

yourself:

Acts 9:31 (Greek)
ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας

ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη

παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.

Act 9:31 (Transliteration)
aye men oon ekklaysiaye kath olays tays ioodayeas kaye galilayeas kaye

samarayas aycon ayraynayn oikodomoomenaye kaye poryoomenaye tow fobow

too kurioo kaye tay paraklaysay too agioo pnyoomatos eplaythunonto

(http://www.russ.org/gtb/luke.html#a9)

Acts 9:31
So the Church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and

was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of

the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.

From this text, we can see the Greek word “kath olays” which is rendered

“Catholic” in modern English and the word “ekklaysiaye” which becomes

“ecclesia” in English and is commonly translated as “church”.

εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης = ekklaysiaye kath olays = “the church throughout

all” = Catholic Church
Source(s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwK…
10 minutes ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwKnc

i believe Jesus was talking about Revelation, which is a different Rock to have a sure word of prophecy to build a foundation of a church.

More Toast Artists Jesus Face

2010-03-31T13:25:00.000-07:00

Ted Sheckle asked this on YQ:
Do you want to see the true face of Jesus?

the picture of jesus on toast by the side of Mary on toast

http://mikesplace.freeserverhost.com/Gallimaufry/VirginMaryGrilledCheese/Jesus%20Christ%20Toast%20+%20Virgin%20Mary%20Grilled%20Cheese%20photo.jpg

It has to be real! There's no way this could be a hoax. This is proof god exists.

Rofl, but NOT true

there a couple things which i could comment on this.

first i was very interested in the first piece of toast being sold on EBAY as a work of art.
then i saw a news clip somewhere that an artist can easily pre paint the butter or margine onto bread and then the picture appears on the toast.

so i wont believe anything that comes from burning toast. unless an angel says to do it.

also, there are more insidious things than these

recently i had a dream where i spoke on YQ R&S and described seeing the face of a man who had a "scar" over his left eye. i wondered if i had actually seen the real face of Jesus. Last week i realized out of the blue, that men who have scars over the left eye are more likely to have pierced their own eye.
so, it makes more sense to conclude it was not the face of jesus that i saw but the lover of a woman who in the first half of the dream was asking for something, she having an existence that looked like paradise. but he having the power to OVERsee her condition and enough to show me the dream.
dreams become even MORE hideous when they have the appearance of an angel or of tthe direct contradictory appearances of jesus.
Jesus doesnt change, since his resurrection, his face has not changed despite what the bible says about the two disciples.
the bible also says there were two (false) witnesses.

then you have modern technology, which can invade dreams !
and then you have the technology that can created advertisements to infiltrate the dreams stages.
then you have the Obercromb files and the blue beam project

plus if you have Alien life and alien technology in the hands of Anarchists Criminal felons that despise the community of God YOU also have false religions based on imagination rather than the true prophecies of God

even after that there is the known mind control of manchurian candidates and sorceries and false visions existing throughout all history.

its all insidious,

but after all is said and done, no matter what is found to be counterfeit, there is A GOD and the Father has given ALL authority to His Son and the throne and glory of judgment mercy.

let it be known I am a witness, even in my sins, i have found mercy. i know the false, and i know the true. i have experiences that defy the carnal mind, so much that carnal men have devised Laws of the land to make all patriots and christians alike to be enemies of the state.

this is what you are doing by debunking the existence of God, you become the participant with muderers and will be judged like a murderer whether by intent or by deception.

p.s. people like you are the true-type of a terrorists because you start out as mole hill. people like you become filled with a little power and become self destroyed because THEY reject the morality of God and His righteousness.

does the occult remain in the mormon church? is it a cult?

2010-03-18T13:57:00.000-07:00

a question to mormons about being a cult and i speak about the occult and the guilt of the saints, which i dont think has been removed the church and i do profess it does exist

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the occult exists within all of them Yes.
cultic traditions exist in all of christianity. the blind lead the blind everywhere.

in Mormon History there was a band of secret combinations called the Danites.
there are several debatable activities of mormons which can be classified as false. there definitely is some traditions therein which are not the revelations of God.
however, i believe the official scripture cannon is perfect enough to be true more than the teachings of christians because of the nature of the revelations written.

that said:
i can quote D&C scriptures which rebuked the saints of the first generation, with commiting sins. Joseph smith himself said a prayer asking about his brethren and his freinds and had it recorded. He didnt even know if he could trust his own freinds. but he prayed for them nevertheless.
but specifically in section 63, the Lord makes mention of the sins of witchcraft and rebuked them... vs 17 -20 of course in these verse he lists 3 major sins. and one of them is also like unto our modern Pornography.
i dont want to speak evil of the righteous brethren! and i dont want to speak evil of anyone who is walking in the spirit and at least trying to.
but its obvious to me from all the things ive suffered, when it comes to witchcrafts and sorceries people all over the world follow BABLYON and the spirit of her sorceries which deceive the nations. see rev 18:4, 23

verses:
14 There were among you aadulterers and adulteresses; some of whom have turned away from you, and others remain with you that hereafter shall be revealed.
15 Let such beware and repent speedily, lest judgment shall come upon them as a asnare, and their bfolly shall be made manifest, and their works shall follow them in the eyes of the people.
16 And verily I say unto you, as I have said before, he that alooketh on a woman to blust after her, or if any shall commit cadultery in their hearts, they shall not have the dSpirit, but shall deny the faith and shall fear.
17 Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the afearful, and the bunbelieving, and all cliars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the dwhoremonger, and the esorcerer, shall have their part in that flake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the gsecond death.
18 Verily I say, that they shall not have part in the afirst resurrection.
19 And now behold, _ I, the Lord, say unto you that ye are not justified, because these things are among you _.
20 Nevertheless, he that aendureth in faith and doeth my bwill, the same shall overcome, and shall receive an inheritance upon the earth when the day of transfiguration shall come;

my folly was manifest 7 years ago or thereabout when i was having a debate/discussion with my bishop and as i was reading the verse to emphasize the sorceries, the other parts hit me just as quickly and sharp two edged sword.

so i dont knowingly excuse myself but i admit my sins and transgressions.

HEADLINE space shuttle crashed Hundreds die

2010-01-10T12:20:00.000-08:00

a dream i had showed me a space shuttle disaster i watched the fusilages fall off and the shuttle itself spin onto the ground where what looked like hundreds of people were kill, even decapitated. I saw a photographer cowering and i told him to take pictures, it was his job. there were ohter details which are hard to describe as well
i dont put to much emphasis on dreams because most of them are highly wrong

i did have a plane crash in a major city, dream, before 911 but at the time i thought it was only another night mare. ive repeated dreams of nuclear detonations in several places, like ONE over the new york harbor or something like that or another in anchorage. i thinki i had a couple in washington state as well. but then again i seem to dream other peoples' lives in other parts of the country and even off world dreams, more like a star wars scenario. so far the only one that remotely seems true is the nightmare of the plane crash in the city. it was all terrorism

another yahoo question on race and skin color

2009-12-30T11:53:00.000-08:00

Will Black Christians be turned as White as Snow before they go to Heaven?
If this statement is true, then there will be no Blacks in Heaven.
You are: witnessofJesus Your Answer: if you are talking about sins , the bibble says "yes"

if you are talking about skin color,

there is a possibility that the resurrected body can be changed in skin color, yes, also, whether one merits it or whether one is punished for hate crimes.

i believe that Cain was punished with a mark.
most people dont disagree with that, but some LDS once taught that skin color was connected to Cain (this may or may not be an interpretation in error ) and i know the book of mormon says that the Lamanites were changed in their skin color because of sin, and it also describes Mary the mother of jesus as having pure white skin.

the theology of the origin of skin color is undeniably from God.

in the LDS church and christianity around the world ( i think) in 18th century, there was the teachings that dark skin color was a judgment against people that were NOT as valiant in the pre existence.

to answer your question directly, if these things are true, and taught correctly, if a man were wholey valiant in this life reason would say a man could be given a different skin color. because of the justice and judgment of the Lord.
like ive said, i am clearly convinced that there is NO superior race.

there is faith and there is Exaltation. those that obtain the promise of exaltation are those that Live their life Above reproach and forsake their sins, and are valiant. diligently valiant.
overall, if God truly created skin color, he did so for a reason. and it would apply to resurrection and people who are resurrected do inhabit the kingdom of God. they also live in the flesh on the earth during the millenium.

i have a couple links to be added:

quotes from historical LDS leaders:
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.liv...

quote:
14 And it came to pass that I saw the aheavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou?
15 And I said unto him: A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.
16 And he said unto me: Knowest thou the acondescension of God?
17 And I said unto him: I know that he loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things.
18 And he said unto me: Behold, the avirgin whom thou seest is the bmother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.
19 And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.
(this is the quote, i thought i read 20 years ago, which uses the white and pure skin - at least i think it is) Source(s) http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.liv...

1 Nephi 11: (fair and white)
13 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities. And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white.

links:
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/recentpublicfolder/2nephi26n33.JPG
Photo poster, black or white
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/recentpublicfolder/MarkofCainSkinofdarkness.txt
historical quotations about mark of cain and skin color

skin color is not the issue anymore. it comes to judgment whether any man repents of his sins or not

it comes down to faith and repentance, diligence and valiancy, exaltation and sanctification.

11:49 AM 12/30/2009

which church is right

2009-12-19T17:54:00.000-08:00

Whose religion is right?
This is the timeless question. It doesn't quite bother me that there are believers and non-believers(which it does, but not as much), but then you have these different religions that all think they are right, and on top of that you have these denominations within those religions that disagree on certain issues..And then we're all happily smiling and thinking we are all going to heaven. But then would it be unsafe to assume that we are all going to heaven since we are all (well not all) but some of us are actually following our religious doctrine ..
You are: witnessofJesus Your Answer: theoretically every religion is "right"
realistically few are absoluetly correct if, any, at all.

"11 While I was laboring under the extreme difficulties caused by the contests of these parties of religionists, I was one day reading the Epistle of aJames, first chapter and fifth verse, which reads: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him...
"13 At length I came to the conclusion that I must either remain in adarkness and confusion, or else I must do as James directs, that is, ask of God.
"When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!"'

"18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join...

"I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong;"

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091219173242AAksoGw&r=w#A4FOPkDFKHXU1Io2BSaP
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1

question asked by Cal agnosit Atheist

2009-12-08T09:56:00.000-08:00

all though i am a witness and a believer in christ, therefore called a christian, i am not a saint nor am i fully wholy and sanctified and though i am a believer and a christian i do not believe in the trinity because the doctrine of the godhead, in my opinion is more biblical than the trinity is
on the idea of a higher power and being bhudist, remember one thing! Jesus is/has been declared to be the bhuda issa.
i have seen the glory of jesus, and the person who i saw stood withing 3 to 6 feet of my out of body spirit.
Yes there is a higher being, and then there is Jesus who sits on the throne of God, see revelation 3:21 and 21:7

atheists in my opinion are either outright "liars" becasue they are enemies of God and righteousness and serve Lucifer, or they are outright deceived, they have to be deceived on many levels, even in the simplest interpretations of science. creationscience.com NOW, in all due respect, people are gullable no matter who they are . and there is so much social engineering in the world and control in public schools that it is nearly impossible to tknow the truth if the ALL the truth is debunked before it is even defended and if people trust everyone who teaches it. ive heard a handful of christian scientists who logically and reasonably discuss teh sciences of creation and with the scientific method than evolutionist will allow through the anonymous peer reveiw which is totally corrupted

other religious belief is what i am about NoWadays. i started out life with a single mother who was atheist by the time i was 18 and without much religious background i went from a catholic family to almost being a satanist to being born again of protestant christianityy to becoming LDS. when i was protestant i believed Hook line and sinker in the pastors that taught the trinity, and becasue the jehova witnesses and the mormons thorough taught the trinity to not be true, i have realized that religious itnerpretation of the bible is in Error. world wide.
but just because confusion and error do exist Does not mean that Jesus did not live and breath and did not die and ressurect. again i am a witness.

homosexuals are just like atheists. they either deny the Holy Ghost or God and ignore the commandments of the ancients, or they believe in God and reject modern interpretations of ancient scritpure
homosexuality might have a form of love between domestic partnership, but it is definitely of a lesser degree of glory than even of that of being celibacy. and celibacy is the exception to God ordained marriage and fulfilling the burden of family and covenants of the gosple.

i ve answered these questions in different ways and with different perspectives, so check them out.

this was an answer before i edited it to the question of the existence of God. 9:52 AM 12/8/2009

question asked by Cal
Questions for religious people? (mainly christian)?
Please forgive my ignorance, but I don't know many religious people. I am agnostic, but I am open to religion, particularly Buddhism and Baha'i, but I don't worship or believe in a higher power for several reasons that I won't get into (I don't want to cause hate or arguing I'm just curious).

Well, what is your opinion of athiests and those who are agnostic (if they are respectful of others beliefs)?

What is your opinion of homosexuals (again, if they are respectful to you)?

Are you open to the concept (or a particular concept or belief) of other religions?

I ask because I saw someone post a while ago "if you are agnostic, im sorry, but youre going to hell for that": to me that implicitly suggests that God is forcing people to worship him or He will punish them with eternal torment, which seems more like a dictatorship, and an abuse of power. (I in no way suggest this be my view of religion, but it would be if this is the case).

Thanks, again, forgive my ignorance, I'm just curious.

death Life resurrection in christ

2009-12-01T08:13:00.000-08:00

truthquest asked this question:
Christians - Do people have any consciousness of

time between death and their resurrection?
For example, Moses, King David, or even those

destroyed in Sodom or someone that died 5 minutes

ago.

Do any of them have any conscious thought in the

grave?

Will their next conscious thought be when they are

resurrected?
14 hours ago - 3 days left to answer

I answered, after one revision,:
yes
first jesus says though a spirit be in hell if he call

upon the his name, he shall be saved, though he

were dead he would live in the spirit
he also talked to moses and elias on the mount of

transfiguration before the resurrection

John 11: 25
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the

life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead,

yet shall he live:

Matt. 17: 3-4
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and

Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it

is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make

here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for

Moses, and one for Elias.
Mark 9: 4-5
Luke 9: 30, 33

now, again, while it is proven that people have

existence in the spirit world before the resurrection,

it is ALSO written that some do not live until after

the first resurrection

Rev. 20: 5
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the

thousand years were finished. This is the first

resurrection.
this does NOT mean thy have no knowledge or

existence (it does mean that the resurrection is

called life and death is called separation of the body

and the spirit)

see also other references
Source(s):
Acts 2: 21
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall

call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom. 10: 13
13 For whosoever shall acall upon the name of the

Lord shall be saved.
Mark 12: 27
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the

living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Luke 20: 38
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living:

for all live unto him.
John 5: 25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,

and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of

the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

2 Tim. 2: 11
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him,

we shall also live with him:

1 Pet. 4: 6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to

them that are dead, that they might be judged

according to men in the flesh, but live according to

God in the spirit.
26 minutes ago - Edit - Delete

another deleted question

2009-10-31T09:52:00.000-07:00

i didnt think it was bad, so i answered it, but it was asked by EmuWinehouse

Is it tradition that Mormons trick-or-treat for 2 straight years? (deleted question on yahoo asked by Emo Winehouse)

never considered it that way
another way of saying it is proselytizing
and its more than a tradition, its more like an act of faith and a defining point in life, a way of passage.
a rite of passage for mormon/lds/ youth to become menit also divides some young men from the church
and yest tricks and treats are often given
i remember a news story how a man asked acouple elders not to come tohis house again and when they did, he killed them with his shot gun.
detectives found their daily plans and followed the ledger to this guys house where they found part of the missionaries badge and then found their remains in the freezer.
people dont kill missionaries when they knock on your door, just smile and say not interested.

Glenn kimball mp3 have arrived

2009-10-30T21:36:00.000-07:00

i think glenn kimball has a different perspective on the history of jesus, i dont know if i agree with everything he teaches, but i have found that most of what he says makes sense and is probably true to saying

so if there is anyone out there that actually reads my blogs, i have yet to hear from anyone (a message in a bottle)

hope you like my audio files

was jesus married yahoo questions

2009-10-11T18:40:00.000-07:00

i found this question where the best answer i knew was incorrect

so i asked this question instead:

so who is this Orson Hyde fellow? what president and what branch did he serve? apostle? or not?

lime disease and otehr symptoms from Flu Vacines

2009-09-21T10:55:00.000-07:00

i will tell you this, if lime disease is part of side effects of the flu shots, listening today, to lenn horrowitz, its not a simple allegation-affidavidt.
not to mention the other diseases which the media seems to be naysaying.
i would tend to beleive horrowits, who is harvard trained. and dr Blaylock and a few other eve sherry tenpenny

this link for my skydrive audio files

comparing Niv Kjv

2009-09-21T10:43:00.000-07:00

OMG check out this question on Yahoo Q&A R&S

when I saw this on my "myway" personal page, i just had to ask the question and post it.
could anything be more perfect to show that mankind has the ability to change scriptures, either the niv delets most of the verse or Kjv includes more words in Luke 4:8

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuirqWcG4swf4T8zPS6Fj5zd7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20090921102035AArB83E

charlie sheen is a fan of Alex Jones.

2009-09-08T11:56:00.000-07:00

there are so many disinformation agents, on the internet, that claim Alex Jones is lying about alexs' claims that charlies himself has many questions about 9/11 lies and questionable information and facts.
i think charlie sheen appearing on infowars proves how wicked people are when it comes to lying and how disinformation and rumors and slander work.
i have significant skepticism about government roles and non-legitimate answers as well.

but no matter who is the faithful servants of truth, they are almost always mentally ill, and the enemies of God almost always shoot the person rather than hear the message.

even in the mayan/aztek world there are gods who villify Jesus as being mentally ill, like its not a new phenomena.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_on_alex_jones_show_challenges_media.htm

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_questions_official_911_story.htm

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_showbiz_sharon_stone.htm

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_corp_media_ignore_challenge.htm

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_journalist_censored_sheen_article.htm

fornicationtestimonyQuestionbyJennifer

2009-09-06T09:24:00.000-07:00

jennifer asked this question:
I have been going to different churches and having sex with all kinds of guys?
why is it that they act so goody in front of people but you should see some of the things they do while we are doing it and they jump in head first once i hint to them i am wanting it the pervert jumps right out and their values they claim to have disappear immediatly several are married and act like they dont even have a wife while we lay together

i reply:

i love this question! it should not be deleted, as a true testimony

p.s. the actual answer however is not to good.
meaning you KNOW how evil and wicked people can be, because you see it first hand. lies and hypocrisy are truly what jesus preached against, when he said: "do wwhat they say, not what they do"!
but it saddens me to hear this testimony as well, it admits to the corruption in the churches that is not uncommon among all chruches and nations and religions.
p.s.s, if my mother had not been excommunicated from the catholic church for having had sex without marriage she might have continued with some faith in our family heritage and church traditions, which might have put me in jeopardy as being exactly ONE of these who would have gloried in having sex with you but at the same time continued to keep up images in the church. of course who knows i might have confessed to the priest as well and repented later on when or if I had come to the convictions of the spirit and the preaching of righteousness. this is however what happened to me without religious indoctrination anyway. without or with the teachings of the bible i had faith and rpented, backslid and repented again, and backslid and repented again.
I never have had sex since 1980, to clarify things, because i believed in submitting to the will of the commandments. of God.
however i confess, this doesnt meant i have not been without my faith in repentance and my biological temptations and lusts and coming to a vision of christ for wanting to truly forsake these lusts.
and the sins and consequences of them.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090906090425AAjN5jA&r=w#A4FOPkDFKHXU1Io2BSaP

p.s.s
part of exposing evil, is "shouting from the rooftops" but also part of forgiveness is Love and covering up a multitude of sins.
both quotes in the bible, btw

http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/HQ25BRINGtoLIGHTallHiddentthingsofDARKNESS.jpg

d&c 123:13, 9-10; 11-14; Jacob 2:10 (BoM)

drugged and raped, dream interpretation shagedelic yahooquestion

2009-09-06T08:27:00.000-07:00

shagedelic asked this:
I had a dream, can anyone tell me what it means? Christians only?
I had this weird dream. In it I saw myself walking into the bathroom. When I got into the bathroom, a turned and looked in the bath tub. When I looked at the bathtub I noticed a huge spider coming out of the drain of the bathtub. The spider was the size of an averaged-sized lizard. When it crawled out of the bathtub the dream scene switched to me and my buddy conspiring to kill the spider. But I chose not too kill the spider. The scene switched again and I noticed that I was alone with the spider which had by now climbed into my bed and went under the cover. Without thinking I went over to the bed to see where it went. Before I knew it I was standing next to the bed getting ready to get under the cover. As I see myself entering the bed the dream ends..

What does it mean?

I know it is significant because there is a certain feeling I have when dreaming a significant dream.

i reply:
first of all there is a dream interpretation section.
2nd no single dream would have the same interpretations even with the experiences because there are at least 5 or 6 sources of where the dreams comes from. God would speak plainly in the "rare" times he would give a dream. most dreams are caused by sorceries NOT the spirit of God. sorcerers are liars and deceivers. almost never servants of righteousness.
after that there are dreams of ministering spirits which can be fallen more than that of those sent by will of God. but most dreams from the ministering spirits of God and deceased relatives seem to almost always be confusing and without true definition and a clear message.
dreams of mortal men who practice witchcrafts and sorceries and mind control are almost always lies and deception which are NOT the mind of God and do use the persons' imagination to manipulate images that a person sees.
there is absolutely NO doubt of these conclusions.!!
i myself have caught my own imagination creating images that the sorcerers who had control over me, becomes something they did not intend therefore i knew their deceits were a false dream when i woke up.
i have literally dreamed of bug landing on my finger as the person himself was warning me of the "sting" and as i felt the pain, i shook my hand to get away from, as i woke up and looked at my hand i saw a metal sliver as though it were a broken "needle" still inbedded therein. as I was to tired to take it out, i chose to go back to sleep and take it out when i woke up again. when i woke up again the needle was GONE.
the spider could represent someone you might hate but you chose to show mercy and forgiveness on the creature. when the spider moved to your BED the symbology could easily mean Sexual frustration or sub conscience warnings of rape .
what ihave experienced is that most of the dream will keep your mind occupied while they lull you into a false sense of security and while your body is probably already experiencing an erection you mind is being distrated to think of other things. until you have the orgasm. when the images and ideas change from sex to other images of stimulation you are left to continue to think these thoughts while they leave and you naturally wake up or the drugs in your body are left with a time released action that will force you to wake up. hence when you wake up you are left alone to see no one is there.

pharmecutical sorcery or Power of God vs spirit

2009-09-04T10:10:00.000-07:00

well?
let me list the things that christians say is a spirit feeling.
wonderful joy
peace in the mind, beyond describption
or
of the earth which is elemental, and pharmecutical

read the bible these things are listed there

now for mormons, it can be all these things
or a telepathic "presence of the holy spirit" see the book a marvelous work and wonder by Talmage
also there is something called the "burning in the bosom"
which i can only say i have felt once,

the presense of the spirit and the spirit of revelation is something else entirely.
ONCE among all my poisons both from members and satanists and wolf packs, I sat in the bishops chair and the drug induced mental torture/torment stopped "instantly".
when i picked up a hitchhiker, he sat in my car and said with a loud voice I am healed. its surprising to me! that which caused me mental anguish, made him think he was healed.
when i went to a lutheran church, i sat in the back with many pews separated between me and the practicing quior and my lungs burned with wind of acid, i had never before experienced in such potency.
when i was in the presence of JWs the particles of the air that burned in my throat and caused instant toxity to my mind speaks volumes of poisons which many think is the spirit of God
when i went to the baptist church / temple in anchorage more than once as a visitor, first to see the nativity acted on stagge I saw the particles in the air just as clearly in the spotlight as i knew the spirit in that building was not of God but of narcotic substances.
2nd when i went again to the same temple church, the poison burned in my throat so intensely i had not ever eaten the "dust" that has rivaled such Sleep deprivation which is not the spirit of God but a pharmecutical poison as well.
3rd in the same church i went to the auction while 2 or 3 people dressed in black actually "stalked" me as though they were trying to get in range to cast poison in the air around me again. in the same experience i experience a burning in my breath which was not as potent as the luther church but it was enough to speak out loud about repentance, Such things are EVIL and priestcrafts and sorceries.
not of sheep and true shepherd but of Rev 18:4,23
also i cannot forget the mormon church, the last day i attended church was that i was poisoned by air when two brethren of reputation sat in the pew in front of me, also such poison cause another day without sleep when i couldve gone home and fallen asleep as i had already gone without sleep for at least 2 days. if not only have ten minutes of sleep the day before.
when i went to the LDS stadium for a youth conference i saw exactly the same kind of particles in the air that was probably of mix of narcotics and poisons of the same kinds already listed above, in my testimony against such things, these are indeed NOT the spirit of God.
but pharmecutical sorcieries. this to me is the deception of sorceries that are plainly defined in rev ch. 18.
the baptism if spirit i had experienced when the angelic person visited me in my room defies or particularly seems to defy these types of works for not having used any drugs to make the appearance of light.

there seems to be a verse in the d&c however, that says the power of God can be given to man.
and another verse in the bible which describes a man as having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof.

does the denial of the power of God describe the pharmecutical sorceries or does it describe denying the power from God in heaven as needed.by the hands of God or the will of God alone?

D&C 84: 20-21
20 Therefore, in the aordinances thereof, the power of bgodliness is manifest.
21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the aauthority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is bnot manifest unto men in the flesh;

2 Tim. 3: 5
5 Having a aform of godliness, but bdenying the power thereof: from such turn away.

JS-H 1: 19
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”

on the subjects of power!
D&C 132: 7, 13, 18-20, 39, 44-45, 48, 59, 64
7 And verily I say unto you, that the aconditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, boaths, cvows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and dsealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is eanointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by frevelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this gpower (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this hpower in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the ikeys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by athrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall bnot remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.
45 For I have conferred upon you the akeys and power of the priesthood, wherein I brestore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.
59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
D&C 76: 10, 12, 31, 37, 42, 52, 91, 95, 108, 116, 118
10 For by my aSpirit will I benlighten them, and by my cpower will I make known unto them the dsecrets of my ewill—yea, even those things which feye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor yet entered into the heart of man.
12 By the power of the aSpirit our beyes were opened and our understandings were enlightened, so as to see and understand the things of God

31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and asuffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power

118 That through the power and manifestation of the Spirit, while in the flesh, they may be able to abear his bpresence in the world of glory.

JS-H 1: 9, 12, 15-16, 19-20, 70
9 My mind at times was greatly excited, the cry and tumult were so great and incessant.
this verse interests me most because of the description of "excitement". today a drug user would call this the symptoms of speedballs or any potent stimulant like pcp or lsd possibly even crack. ( i have no doubt the poisons i suffer, have existed since satan was able to teach sorceries to evil men, probably even as early as Cain and Able) definitely by the time of Noah. but, at the same time, this could be a natural occourance in the mind of joseph possibly even spurred on by the power of hte holy ghost) there is something to say about powers that exist and that are used in sorceries and priestcrafts and secret combinations which deceive the nations and kill the saints. Eugenics is a word that also describes the conspiracy behind pharmecuticals and is verily visible in effect this very year and preceding years.)

Ne. 13: 16, 18-19, 29-30, 34-35, 37, 39
16 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was awith them.

18 And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together aagainst them to battle.

19 And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were adelivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations

37 And ablessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my bZion at that day, for they shall have the cgift and the dpower of the Holy Ghost; and if they eendure unto the end they shall be flifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting gkingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall hpublish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be

D&C 88: 7-10, 13, 26, 45, 47, 114
7 Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made

D&C 102: 6-7, 11, 22, 24-25, 29, 33
1 Ne. 17: 29, 35, 42, 46, 48, 51-52, 55
D&C 107: 8, 14, 17-18, 20, 24, 27, 79
18 The power and authority of the higher, or Melchizedek Priesthood, is to hold the akeys of all the spiritual blessings of the church

Moro. 10: 4-5, 7, 24-25, 32-33
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would aask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a csincere heart, with dreal intent, having efaith in Christ, he will fmanifest the gtruth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may aknow the btruth of all things

7 And ye may aknow that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, baccording to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever

24 And now I speak unto all the ends of the earth—that if the day cometh that the power and gifts of God shall be done away among you, it shall be because of unbelief

D&C 128: 8-9, 11, 14, 18, 21, 23

11 Now the great and grand secret of the whole matter, and the summum bonum of the whole subject that is lying before us, consists in obtaining the apowers of the Holy Priesthood. For him to whom these keys are given there is no difficulty in obtaining a bknowledge of facts in relation to the csalvation of the children of men, both as well for the dead as for the living

14 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as are the records on the earth in relation to your dead, which are truly made out, so also are the records in heaven. This, therefore, is the sealing and binding power, and, in one sense of the word, the keys of the kingdom, which consist in the key of knowledge

D&C 84: 20-21, 28, 72, 77, 102, 119
72 And the poison of a serpent shall not have power to harm them

Rev. 13: 2, 4-5, 7, 12, 14-15
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and apower was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Nahum 3: 4
4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.
1 Sam. 15: 23
23 For arebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and bstubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast crejected the word of the Lord
2 Kgs. 9: 22
22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?
2 Chr. 33: 6
6 And he caused his children to pass through the afire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he bobserved times, and used enchantments, and used cwitchcraft, and ddealt with a efamiliar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.
Micah 5: 12
12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
Gal. 5: 20
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, astrife, seditions, heresies,
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Morm. 1: 19
19 And it came to pass that there were asorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also bSamuel the Lamanite

Morm. 2: 10
10 And it came to pass that the Nephites began to repent of their iniquity, and began to cry even as had been prophesied by Samuel the prophet; for behold no man could akeep that which was his own, for the thieves, and the robbers, and the murderers, and the magic art, and the witchcraft which was in the land

Isa. 47: 9, 12
9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee ain their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.

Acts 8: 9, 11
9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used asorcery, and bbewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some cgreat one:
11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries

Rev. 9: 21
21 Neither repented they of their amurders, nor of their bsorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts
Rev. 18: 23
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the avoice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy bsorceries were all nations deceived

Alma 1: 32
32 For those who did not belong to their church did indulge themselves in asorceries,

Morm. 1: 19
19 And it came to pass that there were asorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also bSamuel the Lamanite

another deleted yahoo question God walkin Garden

2009-09-04T09:17:00.000-07:00

this question from Radolf was deleted: ( i didnt see anything wrong with it, except the defiance of unbelief in his words)
Why were Adam and Eve able to hear god coming in the garden of eden?
It says in Genesis that "When they heard the sound of the lord god moving about in the garden". Isn't god everywhere, wouldn't he have know they ate it the moment they did. Wouldn't he have known the "serpent" was tricking Eve. And why the hell would he be "moving about in the garden"? It also says that god had Adam "tend to the garden" before he sinned. Can't god take care of his own garden?

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they had ears to hear.

uhm, your secondary points are debateable, whether God always is everywhere in a dimensional paradox of time travels is not consistent with every doctrine All the time.

andyour question about tending the garden also has to do with research and a labatory, because while Adam might have been in the garden, the gods were also causing men to Mine for Gold.
according to a few people this planet was a prison planet and criminals were sent here to labor in the "mines".
also, if you read the book urantia on genesis, Adam and were not even here while life existed, they came from God as "ambassadors" and then sinned. so the garden story if there is any truth at all might ahve existed somewhere else, maybe on the LDS planet of Kolob.
and you have to determine which "god" was walking in the garden. was it the Pre-existent Jesus who would be in spirit form only because he had not been born. or if it was the Father indeed. most believe it was the Father. if the LDS version of The Father is correct, The Father was already a resurrected personage and could make sounds with his physical body, especially walking in the leaves and branches if they existed. who knows how well the ears of Adam were to hear things. if it was the Spirit of christ walkingin the garden he might have known about the transgression and used a little fear tactic such as rushing wind. even if it was the Father, the same tactic also would be a condition to see how Adam and Eve would react.
as for the the paradox of multidimensional travel or even time travel. i have speculated that the time bubbles we live and exist in, have existed since before Eve ate the forbidden fruit. possibly only since they were cast out of the garden. whenever this time bubble paradox was first created, it probably envelopes All of us and our mortality until the last day of resurrection and possibly even until the end of the 2nd death. it might even cover the OUTER darkness even after mankind and the eart are exalted. TMi
just a few thoughts.

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did God crdeate evil

2009-09-03T15:15:00.000-07:00

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Michael asks this question:Why did God create evil?
Isaiah45:7 says that God created evil, why?

Ireply:
i bet it doesnt !

edit: ok, im convinced there is something to this contradiction.[ideleted the rest of the answer] God cannot be a being without any darkness of any kind, and still plan for evil. or there are two different persons being spoken of here as the same god.

at face value it does certainly look like it. but one would have to realize translations dont always use the correct words.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

for instance in the ten commandments alone the word in english is thou shalt not kill. yet every jewish rabbi and scribe will tell you it is literally thou shalt not murder.
so, in this example it might be a truer meaning to say God causes evil to happen or allows it to happen.

it is written else where God does not tempt with sin.

literally when a witch or a pagan Cries "foul" or points at a "baby-killing-god" couldnot be a god of love!
in another interpretation, God will destroy nations and wicked shall call it evil. but it not evil to defend people and destroy an army of murderers and peoples that do human sacrifices. when teh world sees stuff like this it is just as much a villification of the holy god.
even though God says of himself he is a warrior.

p.s. another point of veiw is that satan is self-created because it is written that in the beginning God created all the host of heaven and saw that they were good. lucifier is declared to become satan of his own choice by not obeying God or submitting to the Messiah Jesus. through pride.
the term Satan is defined as Enemy of God or enemy of righteousness. might have literally been "god-breathed" but who knows of this truth?
when it comes to mixxing of terms and conditions, one must agree that a plague is not evil, it is a punishment. it might be perceived as evil. but in general terms again if a person gets boils or lice and sufferes it could mean mostly that humans brought it upon themselves. thus its not a true creation of God. when man ignores the commandments of God and suffers aids or hiv or gonoreah, the suffer evil because it was a designed genetic punishment.
its like saying a freedom fighter to the Colonialist is a good person but to the English they were terrrorists. just another thought

someone else answered:
He created that which BECAME evil!

This verse in Isaiah IS correct in that it means that that which God created something that BECAME evil. So, in that sense-God Did create evil. But not to begin with, as seen here:

Genesis 1:31 (New International Version)

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

The Hebrew translation does not say "evil"
It says God created "ra" which means "Sorrow or Calamity

evil Gives us a choice and a bal not all evil is bad God uses it for His glory and if we are going to have freewill we have to have a choice. but evil will always be used for God's most Holy and wise purpose and for the Good of those who love the Lord read Genesis 50:20
Source(s):
Genesis 50:20
Evil has never existed. Evil is an adjective, a word, nothing more. A simple way of describing cruelty. Merely just a point of view.

but Jay answers this:
If "God did not create evil" then what of the following?

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.

Judges 9:23
Then God sent an evil spirit

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house

1 Kings 9:9
...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

1 Kings 14:10
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam

2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;

2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.

2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place

2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof...

Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?

Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people

Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them

Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD

lynn says this:
Nonsense. God did not and can not create evil. The very idea is ridiculous. Who you gonna believe? Me? Or some guy named Isaiah?

jesus is lord said this:
In my Bible Isaiah 45:7 says 'I form the light and create the dark'
So as the dark is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good.
God did not create evil.
He created the light and is the light.

CJ said this:
Here's the verse, for those too .. ummm... "busy" to look it up yourselves:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

If God created all things, then he most certainly created evil.

Buddha said: If God allows evil to exist, then he cannot be good. And if hecannot do anything about evil, then he cannot be God.

ross said this:
Until you realize He didn't, we did, we think He did.

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hearing voices

2009-09-02T17:08:00.001-07:00

first of all God says My thoughts are not your thoughts my ways are not your ways!

2nd you have to understand that there is voice to skull technology which is discussed in the Obercromb files and by Nich Begich.
third the voice can be a form of mind control and the result of drugs that manipulate and repress or oppress the memory. so truly not all voices heard are of God.
it is written that in the days of sodom and gomorah that men were vexxed with voices and later it was condemned by a prophet that proved it was their own medicines and sorceries that caused this vexxations of hte mind.
and so it is proveable today as well, sorceries and pharmecuticals cause all or many Psychosis.

in general God does not speak to anyONE.

except to prophets who are called and chosen. usually it does takethe gift of prophecy.
and one must also discern between fallen angels and telepathy and intent to deceive and cause idolatry.

but if God will speak he can speak in thunderous voice as a man stands while the earth shakes and trembles or he can hear the voice of jesus as one speaking in a still small voice.
both terms are not contradictory.

if the holy ghost speaks, it is possible that he will speak as the others do, with a voice commonly heard as though hearing a freind speaking to you.

in times past God has communicated with man and prophets in various ways and in diverse mannners. not all people who claim to be prophet are sent by God, some are actually more like the mind control device described in the book of acts where Lydia is found.

acts 16

homosexuality quote pg 85

2009-09-02T14:09:00.001-07:00

The Pseudepigrapha

2 Enoch

Reference to sodomy in the Pseudepigrapha are even clearer than those in the Apocrypha. More books are in the Pseudepigrapha than in the Apocrypha, and in general they were written later. No one has ever considred any of themt to have authority on a par with Scripture. However the New Testament cites or uses a few portions of them (most clearly, Jude uses the Assumption of Moses in v. 9 and 1 Enoch in vv. 14-15).
in the longer recension of 2 enoch, also knowan as Slavonic Enoch, there is an amplification of Genesis 5:21-32, covering events from the life of Enoch to the Flood. The book is basically midrash ( expositional commentary) in an apocylyptic format. Enoch visits paradise as well as the place of torment in the heavens and returns to report to his family what he has learned.
the book, in the words of F.I. Andersen believes it to be early, perhaps dated to the turn of the era, and to have origninated within a Jewish (pre-christian) community. It is probably a Semitic work that passed through Greek into Slavonic. Various scholars date it as arising as early as 100 B.C. or as late as A.D 800.
In 2 Enoch, the refernces to homosexuality begin at 10:1 IN the longer recensions (known as P and J), Enoch has visited the third heaven. Before taking him to the fourth heaven, men show him "the frightful place and various tortures" in the northern region. A black fire blazes perpetually, and a river of fire comes out with freezing ice. When Enoch expresses woe and shock at the awfulness of the place, the men answer(10:4-5a):

This place, Enoch, has been prepared fo those who do not glorify God, who practice on the earth ths sin [which is against nature, which is child corruption in the anus in the manner of Sodom], of witchcraft, enchantments, divinations, trafficking with demons, who boast about their evil deeds -- stealing, lying, insulting, coveting, resentment, fornication, murder -- ] and who steal the souls of men secretly, seizing the poor by the throat, taking away their possessions.

in the shorter recension (A) of this passage, the text reads as follows: "this place, youth, has been prepared for those who practice godless uncleanness on the earth, who perform witchcraft and [enchantments], and who boast about their deeds. They steal souls secretly; who untie the yoke that has been secured; who enrich themselves by fraud from the possession of others."
Clearly, the words of the longer recesnion, which so explicitly refer to Sodom and sodomy, find their counterpart in the words of the shorter recension " who practice godless uncleannes on the earth." these words are clearly parallel to those of Jubilees 16:5-9 (see below), which refers specifically to the men of sodom as those who, among other things, "work uncleannes on the earth" the phrase is bacially equivalent to that of the longer recension: "who practice on the earth the sin... " This observation goes far in helping to identify what these obscure words mean.

in addition, the various vices of the longer recension remind one of the Ten Commandments, Leviticus 18 and 20, revelation 21:8 and 22:15, The Apocalypse of Peter and other passages. About these vices, Andersen comments that "there is nothing here that any god-fearer, jew or christian, would not affirm."
Scholars dispute the genuineness of either recension, and are divided over which is the more authentic. Andersen appears to favor the longer recension.

in 2 Enoch 34, the auther explicitly denounces sodomy at two points. The longer recension (J) reads (1-3, including the introduction):

God convicts the person who are idol worshippers and sodomite fornicators and for this reason he brings down the flood upon them.

1 For i know the wickedness of mankind, how they have rejected my commandments and they will not carry the yoke which i have placed on them.
But they will cast off my yoke, and they will accept a different yoke. And they will sow worthless seed, not fearing God and not worshipping me, but they began to worship vain gods, and they renounced my uniqueness.

2 And all the world will be reduced to confusion by iniquities and wickednesses and abominable fornications that is, freind with freind in the anus, and every other kind of wicked uncleanness which it is disgusting to report, and the worship of the evil (one).

3 And that is why I shall bring down the flood onto the earth, and I shall destroy everyting, and the earth itself will collapse in great darkness.

the comparable section in the shorter recension (A) again lacks the references to sodomy.

1 I know the wickedness of mankind, how they will not carry the yoke which I have placed on them. Nor do they sow the seed which I have given them; but they have renounced my yoke, and they will take on another yoke; and they will sow worthless seed, and do obeisance to vain gods. And they will reject my sole rule. And all the world will sin by injustices and
2 crimes and adulteries and idolatries
3 Then I shall bring down the flood onto the earth, and the earth itself will be overwhelmed by a great quantity of mud.

Second Enoch 34:1-3 refers broadly to adult sodomy, whereas 10:4-5 primarily refer to pederasty. The Speaker in 2 Enoch adds his evaluation of sodomy: In 10:4, it is "the sin which is against nature" (words reminiscent of Romans 1). in 34:2 he calls it "abominable fornications" and associates it with every other kind of wicked uncleannes which it is disgusting to report." The reference to sodomy in recension J is equivalent to adulteries in recension A. the Familiar connection between idolatry and sodomy is covered by " and idolatries," an atttitude similar to that in Romans 1, The Wisdom of Solomon 14:12 , and the title of 2 Enoch 34(j).

a book about homosexuality by James B. DeYoung and ancient literature pg 85-87

my personal comment on this: i believe that the longer recension is probably the first one. and later the edited portions were taken out. but to date a book of enoch from the turn of the era is absolutely not a true date, if it is the book of enoch, these are not doubt copies of copies that survived only despite the wickedness of men to destroy them.

asking advice selling car Dreams and Needles

2009-08-29T13:32:00.000-07:00

I asked this question and received the following reply:

I am going to sell my car, and become homeless and be totally at mercy of the LORD, is it correct to do this?
i cant perform the work i did for the last 3 years,
i dont want any governement welfare
and no one will hire a disabled laborer
and school is out of the options because i dont understand much of hte things i read.
i believe i was called of God, and this is the last strand of a the rope that has been saving my economic life for the past 4 years. and i cannot sustain anything except what the providence of the lord will give me.
it is the way the scriptures provide, but it not the way of my Uncle who rebukes me in his silence and it is not the ways of contemporary LDS examples. to serve God as a witness fulfills my covenant but i cannot get any jobs without satan destroying the possibilities. i held a job for 8 or 9 years and much sleep deprivation but i strength of body to overcome all stress and endured to the end.
what say your opinions those that have the gift of hte holy ghost. is it biblical to forsake for the sake of the gospel even as everything is taken from me? and nothing else is provided. i have enough gas money for two months but i dont pay my credit cards. i have enough insurance for 6 months. what do you think the holy ghost would say to you are is saying to you?
apparantely some do not have the holy ghost or the gift, so please dont answer unnless you have the gift.
22 hours ago
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i want the kingdom of God. ! not babylon and opressive ONE world dictatorships. that the united states is funding and figting "their wars". withou military. .

what if its a fact! that i am being being exiled by default because of the conspiracies in the land. because i refuse to join babylon or the Beasts? wouldnt beheading be preferable anyway. if this is the future of all christian even in the u.s.
22 hours ago

reply from evesshield777
I've had to do that... twice, but both times i gave the car away, not sold it, because both cars needed extensive repairs and I had to flee from where I was immediately. You have to do what you have to do. You trust in the mercy of the Lord at all times, of course, but your trust in Him is the only thing left when there is nothing else left to do.
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i emailed evesheild with this:
please email your testimony of what this means, and i dont have family and freinds. i have trusted anyone since i woke up and saw my roommate rush to his bed and then begin to Fake Snoring. and i caught 2 or 3 times doing this and then a couple other times i woke up thinking that i had just been Injected with a needle and a single time i was waking up as i felt someone pulling my garments down my waist. and the clincher over all, because up until that time they could be called all "dreams". the clincher was, that i woke up and he was standing but naked at the foot of the bed with a wash cloth in his hand.

another clincher was, that i was So "much" terrified or terrorized that i packed up my car almost immediately and left and stayed a night in the motel where i dreamed an angel visited me and i went to church that day and was escorted out for trying to repeat what the angel said, so i moved to georgia from Utah and there other things happened with a needle and sleep walking and then i went to israel where another thing with a needle happened. i wrote these stories in previous answers

edit: it is written that nimrod was a mighty hunter. of people

and shedding of much blood. as i have been taught but, when it

comes to stalking people and these kinds of sorceries, drugrapes

and mindcoltrol there is another aspect to what it means to be a

hunter of the saints. so, whether eaither is both true or whether

only one of each terms of definition of what Nimrod was, is not

entirely engraved in stone.

no blood spilled here

2009-08-28T16:51:00.000-07:00

Virgin Mary Movie Name?
asked by erics war

i reply though not seeing the rest of the question:
there are two contradictatory beliefs statements whether mary was a virgin or not
of course some translators say that mary was virgin born because of a word that closely resembles virginity
while the jews and the tibetan newtestament both say that jesus was actually coceived by joseph directly after the angel gabriel says Do not fear to take mary thy wife.
the jews of course say the word is Almah which refers to a young lady and the gospels of the hidden stories of the childhood of jesus, says that Mary herself was vowed by the same angel to be virgin and not to marry anyone except joseph whom the ROD blossomed after a sign.

so it is true mary vowed virginity and was betrothed only to joseph, as his 2nd wife. but the actual conception was not the father or physical fornication as the jew later decried jesus to be born of fornication, it was however of joseph and marry, so the geneaology are correct if this is true. josep was the father and jesus was the of the lineage of david, so if the jews have anything to say about virginity they cannot condemn the lineage and genaology.

cath 22.
for jesus to be begotten of the father, he had to be of the spirit of God so the lord is conceived by the power of the spirit.

for jesus to be literally the son of God, he was given creation of God in the beginning in the matter i dont know specifics of yet. but there are interesting theories.

the movie name itself could be NO blood spilled here. documentary of a false doctrine.

edit: actually i thought this was a R&S question i was temporarily confused and didnt see the rest of the question either, also.
so i thought it was a question that was mocking the virgin birth theory. and i tried to answer it as though it were a non existent movie, but one coming from a documentary type background.

deleted yahoo question from pretty lady

2009-08-28T16:08:00.000-07:00

i am NOT trying to be judgemental on ANYONE?
So i beleive in God and stuff and im pretty religious. whenever times r rough i find such great solace in praying to God. idk how to describe it, just feels like a weight being lifted and u know its all up to God. For those who dont belieive in God, what makes u feel better when times r rough?like any spiritual thing

i reply:
prayer definitely but knowing the spirit of God is near, or that jesus is near and i can feel his presence. the greatest love i have ever known is the vision/visitation of christ. but the greatest love i have ever shown jesus, or the spirit was when i magnified my own spirit in his presense knowing he was near, but not seeing him.

i imagine all the missed opportunities that i myself couldve felt his hands and feet for the proximity with which i thought he was near to me.

rough times also includes the joy of the spirit when it happens.
aquiring a halo by faith also is meritable for every saint, by obtaining and "keeping" a halo, one is not even touched by the powers of wicked, at least thats how i seemed to experience it.

how do we overcome adversity?

2009-08-28T16:02:00.000-07:00

prayer definitely but knowing the spirit of God is near, or that jesus is near and i can feel his presence. the greatest love i have ever known is the vision/visitation of christ. but the greatest love i have ever shown jesus, or the spirit was when i magnified my own spirit in his presense knowing he was near, but not seeing him.

i imagine all the missed opportunities that i myself couldve felt his hands and feet for the proximity with which i thought he was near to me.

rough times also includes the joy of the spirit when it happens.
aquiring a halo by faith also is meritable for every saint, by obtaining and "keeping" a halo, one is not even touched by the powers of wicked, at least thats how i seemed to experience it.

faith, masterbation, love, forgiveness, marriage abortion

2009-08-28T15:22:00.001-07:00

Another LDS question: can you find a person who has more "faith" in eternal marriage than i?
can you find a person who has more "faith" in eternal marriage than i?
and yet be totally compromised in judgment no matter what i do.

If i seem to be teaching heresy when it comes to marriage and partnership and mastebation, am i satanic?
or not.
for those that read my details and testimonies on masterbation and true interpretation and true interpration of marriage and partnership, even though it seems to contradict the words of God and past interpretations of what chastity really means when it comes to love and mercy and forgiveness. can i be totally wrong, or is there some measure of the gift of hte holy ghost and after years of living with being single and studying the scritpures to come these post-tradtional interpretations.
i still stand by that homosexualuity and sodom y are completely wrong. but when a world never allows a man who has an "eye" single to the glory of God that such a single person is never allowed to be married, how can the evils of lust and fornication and marriage be compromised? how can love and forgiven and mercy be the only options left for all people like myself.

can you find a person who has more "faith" in eternal marriage than i?
and yet be totally compromised in judgment no matter what i do.

sigh, any reasonably very devout LDS is desired to answer, preferably any scholars and high priests.

Lds,! if Totally "strict" abortion rules have their "exceptions", why not also the mercy for masterbation?
ive been over this debate many times. online and offline. men who never marry practice chastity more than men in the priesthood with covenants. either the covenants are wrong or the interpretations are wrong and leave out something that defines uncleanness and sin.
I think many bishops err on the side of love when they ordain deacons and priests and yet even elders are sent home because of masterbation, i this is wrong!
i could give a couple scripture references in the BoM where at least one prophet considered himself not worthy, yet he was called. was he married. ? or did he continue to do duties of the office which he was called to perform.
Not every prphet in the bible was completely perfect either. is cussing or having lips that are contrary that need burning cinders to corrrect the prophets language still the same as revoking the Lords calling for ezekiel?
was alma the one that considereed himself unworthy what about other.
do the mission stake presidents still send people home for confession of master bation.
did any of the apostle fall to weakness and foibles any times when they were separated from wives when they could not have sex. are dreams enough to make elders to go home, ? dreams have been a plauge on priests since before the written laws ever existed.
so many details the scriptures do not talk about. and i think too, also, too many harsh judgments have sent the wrong messages, or the wrong interpretations have been dealt.
i dont say i am correct in everything i have said or implied. i apologize for this publicly, but i kept myself chaste and there are times when i have been overwhelmed with evil and i didnt start out being a saint, i admit that, but i am still a witness, the Lord knows my heart. and the spirit seems to be teaching that this must be said.
because there are something missing from people who judge too harshly.
31 minutes ago - 4 days left to answer.

Do Mormons treat their women as inferior to men?

I asnswered:
not everywhere, but yes
becasue of traditional "biblical" interpretations.

which i think is incorrect the bible says very clearly do not be brutish MEN.
Paul said love your wives. it also says do not provoke your children to anger.

it is apparant with some scienteific facts that women can be superior to men in brain functions. they remember longer but suffer stress longer because they dont forgive!
men suffer stress quicker but they are more prone to forget and thus forgive.
i have know many Priesthood holderst that honestly believer their wives are the "better - half" in fact it is often quoted even in their testimonies.
but i also know of men who still hold to the Pauline words of women not being forgiven.
and of course All LDS must remember the D&C verse which says men and women in our dispensation are forigiven of the "curse" of adam and eve.
there is so much more to discuss and i have discussed some of theings according to my understanding and there are some traditions that were Leaven of the pharisees which traditions some Latter day saintrs still follow which were rebuked by our Lord as he walked the earth.

it require personal revelation and much scripture study and even some historical studies even of places that might be judged superstiously and through primal fears as not to be true.

diclaimer for official policy:
of course these my opinion and may disagree with even stake presidents whom i have always had history of disagreeing with. and it might be that i have come to understanding of most of the truth in these answers i am a witness of jesus christ but that doesnt mean i cannot be in "error" some of the time.
masterbation is the most pressing issues for example i have now.
but then again the spirit is different from one stake president to another as to what truth is actually taught.

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skincolor of angels yahoo question

2009-08-28T15:21:00.000-07:00

there are plenty of black paintings of jesus, and other nationalities, i asked a similar

question abouthis about the color of jesus 2 or 3 times to get different results.
however, i think i can say relatives are not always white, and do appear in the native skin

color.
i know the book of revelation says that angels have robes of holiness which is described as

being "white" but i dont think all angels are white.

there is a debate that people in the resurrection can be curses with black skin to denote

slavery. but i think people who are low status and servants might be all races and colors.
some people teach that resurrected bodies can change form and this implies also skin color.

so maybe Jesus can change his appearance but there is absolutely scripture that says such

is true. only that jesus appeared to 2 disciples in a different form. (however, before one

comes to a conclusion that this is true, that jesus can change form and appearance, one

must remember two other verses, God does NOT change, so this would clearly rebuke jesus as

being the same FAther that does not change, and two another new testament verse rebukes the

idea that Jesus appears as a man traveling ini the land.

that be said for back ground, it is possible that angels also have resurrected bodies,

clearly saints are resrrected being from the first resurrection which i think is in john 25

or 27 vs 56.
if any of these people have the same abilit to change form and appearance it could be said

they could change color and race. but most like they staay the same color of skin they had

while being alive. then again, if skin color can change, it might said that God will cause

people one race to be changed into another race. its all theory.
especially if the LDS theology of 18th and 19 th century is true interpretation of the mark

of Cain and the curse of being changed into a different color. to separate cains posterity

from Noahs posteriter. especially when Noah cursed cains seed to become "slaves of slaves".

whatever that means!
the only angel I saw !!! seemed to be white. the faces of people i see in visions are white

too. but that could mean only the spirits that minister to me are or once were white.
however, I also know and this is verily true. i could hear the voice of one i know is

black, and yet in my subconsciene i can form a mental image of a white person speaking,

this is absolutely confirmed in my experience with dreams and mind control experiments.

so everything is confused and there are too many conspiracies to say definitively what

dreams see and what fallen angels do the mind with their sorceries and witchcrafts as well.
one must always be aware false spirits and many false voice do enter the minds of men, and

mankind does have technology that is called voice to skull technology (see my sky drive

audio files) and one should look up the Obercromb files to understand Her testimony of why

she believed she was a "medium" but found out otherwise and one should also look into the

books by Nick begish about similar testimony of voice to mind technology.

there is so much the bible doesnt say about this and only a few examples of mind control by

sorcery, search the book of acts and the story Lydia to find a human controlled person by

sorcery and when paul was stoned or whipped for exposing the conspiracy with this one young

laady for another reference.

follow up question:

What color of skin do angels and resurrected beings have?
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here is the answer i wouldve given. but what do you think of these possibilities and it is

long! but not a rant.
the way questions of race are deleted because they offend so many but, my disclaimer is: if

the first race was black and the cursed race was white i would immediately humble myself

and concede to the higher authorities. the fact is God created race.
but whether an angel is black skinned or white or whether the bible erroneaously applies

the color white to purity in the book of revelation is debatable.
here is what i think about angels being resurrected or what color of sking they have when

they minister to people. i think there angels of both colors of black and white, but there

is so much to consider.

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i already dont like the first answer
it is a known fact that enoch did not die and elijah did not die and God appeared to

abraham with two angels which seems to all the 3 have bodies of some kind.
in lds theology ministering spirits dong ahve bodied but ressurected saints do have bodies

and therefore could be mistaken as angels. if they appear. see the story of paul after he

left the prison and knocked on one of the houses of teh aposttle.s
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can a person serve two masters

2009-07-09T12:31:00.001-07:00

i am a witness of jesus and i witness to people for jesus in hopes of doing good works. and bringing others to christ.

i also work as a cashier
i have worked as a janitor
i have worked as a security guard
and temporary laborer on odd jobs and on call.

so if your question is about being a cashier, the answer is yes.
however, a true disciple, which is defined by the new testament, says a person "denies" self and takes up his cross. Jesus also said to a few people to sell all they have and count the cost.
everything i own fits in my car. and pretty soon i might not even own the car or this computer.

my uncle frowns on current literal interpretation of the above verses, the LDS church has a "lay" ministry where people are priests but they are also families, despite the teachings of joseph smith parable of the cook and the butcher.

the bible does say a person cannot serve two masters at the same time. but there are part time missions in the church as well.
the bible also denies false prophets who prophecy for money.

so go figure. which one do you want to do.

can a person believe in God and practice witchcraft?

2009-07-09T11:48:00.000-07:00

there are several ways to answer this.

the first is: God SAid "dont practice it" (i.e. that it! thats final, now way) the bible even says dont even practice Homeopathy! i think in English its even used word for word.

2nd Jesus said: if you cast out devils you are not in the practice of causing the two types of demon possession or mind control. pharmecutical sorcery. jesus was accused of casting demons out because he was prince of demons and was accused of sorceries himself.

3rd, Jesus said: he had no power of himself. yet at pentecost Jesus promised to give power to apostles but they had to wait.

4th witchcraft is defined by the lips of witches in the bible as being poisoners, however most believe they are healers. .
Yet, i say they are just as much illegal poisoners as a NURSE is legally prosecuted for practicing medicine in todays laws.

5th the bible does not discern that witchcraft is healing or poisoning IN English. it clearly says it is "rebellion" against God.

6th at least one place in the bible it depicts witchcraft as being a "mistress" to whoredoms, which i think is the same thing as saying sex magic. which is also the same thing as becoming the same thing as wine of fornication which is condemned in Genesis 19 (jst) with the daughters of Lott. (see my previous reproofs)

7th there are superstitions, there are primal-fears that debunk what people are taught to be exaggerated false beliefs of what wiccans believe. however, there are testimonies of wiccans as well that declare such witchcrafts as being of satan. its like a gateway "drug" is to an addict but in spiritual idolatry and power

8th. there are people who believe learning witchcraft and potions and spells is also a form of self defense. but it can be likened to drinking coffee and ending up having to drink 5 or 10 cups of coffee each day to get the same result, and its called diminishing returns but its still poisoning self and it still causes Neurotic behavior.

9th the same thing can be said for all pharmecutical medicine, especially in higher doses. all pharmecutical medicines cause mental illness and eventuall physcial symptoms as well. Psychosis is the leading mental illness that prescription drugs cause and most prescription drugs are just altered forms of street drugs and illegal drugs.

10th. one persons' medicine could kill another person.

11th, both the word witccraft and sorcery are the same word in Hebrew and in Greek. when looking at the words in the book of revelation!

12th there are at least 9 different biblical definitions of witchcraft, and none of them agree.

13. in the book of revelation, the term for sorcery is also used as a definition of "deceit" as a tool that is used by the enemy "church" of christ, (*see rev 18:4)

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july 09
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weapons of warfare scriptures

2009-07-03T13:06:00.000-07:00

is it better to learn NO more war? or to learn War and be the srongest warrior race?

Rev. 12: 7, 17
7 And there was awar in heaven: bMichael and his cangels fought against the dragon; and the ddragon fought and his angels,

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev. 13: 4, 7
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev. 17: 14
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Isa. 2: 4
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Micah 4: 3
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their aswords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Ezek. 32: 27
27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.

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Isa. 13: 5
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

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Acts 7: 22
22 And Moses was alearned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

Do men have the whole word of God?
Matt. 4: 4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 11: 28
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

1 Cor. 4: 20
20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Cor. 14: 36
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

Eph. 5: 6
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Heb. 4: 12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

it is also written that God does NOT always give His word to man.

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Deut. 4: 2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Rev. 22: 18
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall aadd unto these things, God shall add unto him the bplagues that are written in this book:

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Jer. 23: 9, 11, 13-16, 21, 25-26, 28, 30-31, 33-34, 37

9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the Lord, and because of the words of his holiness.

11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the Lord.

13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
15 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

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8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.

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3:44 PM 6/18/2008

Deut. 18: 15, 18, 20, 22
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

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Jer. 27: 9, 14-16, 18
9 Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers,

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1 Kgs. 19: 1, 10, 14, 16
1 And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword.

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3:53 PM 6/18/2008

animal rights Tibetan story

2009-07-03T13:04:00.000-07:00

What do you think of this quote:?
"Be ye kind one to another, and to all the creatures of God."
Tibetan Gospel Lection 38 Jesus

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"wherefore i say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone. But if any animal suffer greatly, and if its life be a misery unto it. or if it be dangerous to you, reliase it from its life quickly, and with as little pain as you can, Send it forth in love and mercy, but torment it not, and God the Father-Mother wil shew mercy unto you, as ye have shown mercy unto those given into your hands. And whatsoever ye do unto the Cast of these my children, ye do it unto me. For I am in them and they are in me, Yea, I am in all creatures and all creatures are in me. In all their joys I rejoice, in all their afflictions I am afflicted." verse 4 - 7
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"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, they who partake of benefits which are gotten by wrongin one of God's creatures, cannot be righteous; nor can they touch holy things, or teach the mysteris fo the kingdom who hands are stained With blood, or show mouths are defiled with flesh. vs 2

more quotes:
on vegan, animal rights, eating meat!

it is actually written by Paul, if anything he does, seemingly, offends anyone he will stop doing it.

the tibetan new testament compiled by Glenn kimball and translated in the 1880 or 90's seems to say that eating meat is a sin to christ "if the animal is 'slaughtered"'

but the bible says that it is the doctrine of "devils" to forbid to eat meat. which is the true interpretaion and true translation and true tradition.
i am undergoing this debate right now.

if you believe the bible words directly as it is written now, it is not an offense to christians to be vegan unless the person is absolutely rude.

if you believe the tibetan translation which seems to be allegedly translated from a "source" manuscript, than being a vegetarian is more the HOLY way and the HIGHER way of spirituality.
(Rev Gideon Jasper Richard Ousley - 1892)

in the bible it says dont eat anything strangled
or anything offered unto an idol
in the tibetan new testament it says He condemns eating meat or any animal that has been slaughtered.
he also condemns Hunting in this manuscript! (see my earlier posts)

however in the LDS church, he make a finer point about eating meat sparingly and in times of famine.

there is so much abundance why would anyone need to eat meat.

in the doctrine and covenants, i think d&c 89, it specifically says do not drink hot drinks because of the health of the belly. it doesnt say cafience but many mormons assume cafiene while many others drink coke and pepsi.

edit:4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

the word of wisdom is about eating healthy, and it hints at conspiracies of evil intent you should read for yourself

another quote:
And jesus said unto them, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias speak of you, and your forefathers, saying this People draweth nigh unto Me, with their mouths, and honour me with their lips, but therir heart is far from me, for in vain do they worship Me teaching and believing, and teaching for divine doctrines, the commadments of men in my name but to satisfy their own lusts.
15 As also Jeremiah bear witness when he saith, concerning blood offerings and sacrifices I the Lord God commanded none of these things in the day that ye came out of Egypt, but only this I commanded you to do, reighteousness, walk in the ancient paths, do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God
16 But ye did not hearken to Me, Who in the beginning gave you all manner of seed, and fruit of the trees and seed having been for the food and healing of mand and beast. And they said, Thou speakest against the law.
17And he said against Moses indeed I do not speak nor against the law, but agains them who corrupted his law, which he permitted for the hardness of your hearts. But, behold, a greater than Moses is here! and they were wrath and took up stones to cast at him. And Jesus passed through their midst and was hidden from their violence.

Again it is written, From the rising of the sun unto the setting of the same, my Name shall be great among the Gentiles, and incense with apure Offering shall be offered unto me. But ye have made it a desolation with your offerings of blood and used the sweet incense only to cover the ill savour thereof. I am come not to destroy the law but to fulfil it.
8 Know ye not what is written? Obedience is better than sacrifice and to hearken than the fat of rams. I, the Lord, am weary of your burnt offerings, and vain oblations, your hands are full of blood.
9 And is it not written, what is the true sacrifice? Wash you and make you clean and put away the evil from before mine eyes, cease to do evil, learn to do well. Do justice for the fatherless and the widow and all athare oppressed. So doing ye shall fulfil the law.
10. The day cometh when all that which is in the outer court, which pertaineth to blood offerigs, shall be taken away ad pure worshippers shall worship the Eternal in purity and in truth.
11. Ad they said, Who are thou that seekest to day away with the sacrifices, and despiseth the see of Abraham? From the greeks and the Egyptians hast thou learnt this blasphemy?
12 And Jesus said, Before Abraham was, I Am. And the refused to listen and some said, he is inspired by a demon, and tohers said, he is mad; and they went their way and told these things to the priests and elders. And they were wrath, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy.

another quote:
Again ye have been told, Thou shalt not commit adultery, but I say unto you, if man or woman join toegether in marriage with unhealthy bodies, and beget unhealthy offspring, they are guilty, even though they hve not taken their neighbour's spouce: and if any have not taken a woman who belongeth to another, but desire in their hearth and seek after her, they have committed adultery already in spirit.

animal rights quote:
And some of his disciples came and told him of a certain Egyptian, a son of Belial, who taught that it was lawful to torment animals, if their sufferings brought any profit to men.
2. And jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, they who parake of benefits which are gottn by wronging ofe of God's creatures, canot be righteous; nor can they touch holy things, or teach the mysteries of the kingdom, who hands are stained with Blood, or whose mouths are defiled with flesh.
3 God giveth the grains and the fruits of the earth for food: and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenace for the body.
4. ...Wherefore I say unto al who desire to be my disciples, keep your hand from bloodshed ad let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone
5.But if any animal suffer greatly, and if it ..
6. and whatsoever y do unto the Cast of these my chilren ye do it unto me. For I am in them and they are in me, Yea, I am in all creatures and all creatures are in m e. In all their joys I rejoice, in all their afflictions i am afflicted. Wherefore I say unto you: Be ye kind one to another, and to all the creatures of God.

reincarnation
Jesus sat in the porch of the Temple, and some came to learn his doctrine, and one said unto him, Master, what teaches thou concerning life?
2 and he said unto them, Blessed are they who suffer many experiences, for they shall be made perfect through suffering; they shall be as the agels of God in Heaven and shall die no more, neither shall they be born any more, for death and birth have no more dominion over them.
3 they who suffered and overcome shall be made IPillars in the Temple of my God, and they shall go out no more. Verily I say unto you, except ye be born again of water and of fire, ye canot see the kingdom of God.

When jesus knew how the pharisees had murmured and complained because he made and baptized more disciple than John, he left Judea, and departed unto Galilee
2 And jesus came to a certain Tree and abode beneath it many days. And there came Mary Magdalene and other women and ministered unto thim of their substance, and he taught daily all that came unto him
3 And the birds gathered around him, and welcomed him with their song, and other living creatures came unto his feet, and he fed them, and they ate out of his hands
4 and when he departed he blessed the women who shewed love unto him, and turing to the fig tree, he blessed it also, saying: Thou hast given me shelter and shade from the burning heat, and withal thou has given me food also.
5 Blessed be thou, increase and be frutful, and let all who come to thee, find rest and shade and food, and let the birds of the air rejoice in thy branches
6 And behold the tree grew and flourished exceedinlgy, and its braches took root downward, and sent shoots upwad, and it spread mightily, so that no tree was like unto it for its size and beauty, and the abundance and goodness of its fruit.
7 And as Jesus entered into a certain village he saw a young cat which had none to care for her, and she was hungry and cried unto him, and he took her up, and put her inside his garment, and she lay in his bosom.
8 And whe he came into the village he set food and drink befor ethe cat, and she ate and drank, and shewed thanks unto him. And he gave her unto one of his disciples, who was a widow, whose name was Lorenza, ad she took care of her.
9 And some of the people said, This man careth for all creatures, are they his borthers and siters that he should love them? And he said unto them Verily these are your fell creatures of the great Household of God, yea, they are your brethren and sisters, having the same breath of life in the Eternal
10 And whosoever careth for one of the least of thse, and giveth it to eat and drink in its need, the same doeth it uto me, and whoso willingly suffereth one of thse to be in want, and defendeth itnot when evilly entreated,s suffereth teh evil as done unto me; for as ye have done in this life, so shall it be done unto you in the life to come.

blood offerings
Jesus was teaching his disciple in the outer court of the Temple and one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the preiest that without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can thent he blood offering of the law take away sin?
2 and Jesus answered: o blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, fo hwo can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocet blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
3. The priests indeed receive such offerings as a reconcilliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.
4. Is it not written in the prophets, Put your blood sacrifices to your burnt offerings, and away with them, and cease ye from the eating of flesh, for I spake not to your father nor commanded them, when i brought them out of Egypt, concerning these things? But this thin I commanded saying:
5. Obey my voice and walk in the ways that I have commanded you, and ye shall be my people, and it shall be well with you. But they hearkened not. nor inclined their ear.
6. And what doeth the Eternal command you but to do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with your God? Is it not written taht in the beginning God ordained teh fruits of the trees and the seeds and the herbs to be food for all flesh?
7. But they have made the house of prayer a den of thieves, and for the pure oblation with Incense, they have polluted my alters with blood, and eaten of the flesh of the slain.
8. But I say unto you: Shed no innocent blood nor eat ye flesh. Walk uprightly, love mercy, and do justly, and your days shall be long in the land.
9. The corn that growth from the earth with the other grain, is it not transmuted by the Sprit into my flesh? the grapes of the vineyard, with the other fruits are they not transmuted by the Spirit into my blood? Le these with your bodies and souls be your Memorial to the Eternal.

story of the camel

And Jesus was traveliling to jerusalem, and there came a camel heaveny laden with wood. And the camel woulc not drag it up the hill whither he went for the weight thereof, ad the driver beat him and cruelly ill-treated him, but he couldmake him go no further.
13 And Jesus seeing this, said unto him, Wherefore beatest thou thy brother? And the man answered, I wot not that he is my brother, is he not a beast of burden and made to serve me?
14 And Jesus said, Hath not the same God made of the same substance the camel and they children who serve thee, and have ye not one breath of life which ye have both received fro God?
15 And the man marvelled much at this sayig, and he ceased from beating the camel, and took off some of the burden and the camel walked up the hill as Jesus went before him, and stopped no more till he ended his journey
16 And the camel knew Jesus, having felt of the love of God in him. And the man inquired further of the doctrine, and Jesus taught him gladly and he became his disciple.

They who believe in me, out of their hearts shall flow rivers of water, and that which is given unto them shall they speak with power, and their doctrine shall be living water. (this he spake of the spirit, which they that believed o nhim should receive, for the fulness of the Spirit was not yet given becasue tha tjesus was not yet glorified).

And if a desire be unto thee as thy life, and it turn thee from the truth, cast it out from thee, for it is beter to enter life possessing truth, than losing it to be cast into outer darkness.

Better to suffer than to inflict Pain

And if that seem desirable to thee which costs another pain or sorrow, cast it out of thine heart; so shalt thou attain to peace. Better it is to endure sorrow, than to inflict it, on those who are weaker. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Parent Who is in Heaven is perfect.

And it came to pass that the Lord departed from the City and over the mountains with his disciples. And they came to a mountain whosw ways were steep and there they found a man with a besat of burden.
2 But the horse had falen down, for it was over laden, and he struck it till the blood flowed. And Jesus went to him and said: "Son of cruelty, why srikest thou thy beast? Seest thou not that it is too weak for its burden, and knowedst thou not that it suffereth?"
3 But the man answered and said: "What hast thou to do therewith? I may strike it as much as it pleaseth me, for it is mine own, and I bought it with a goodly sum of money. Ask them who are with thee, fo rthey are of mind acquaintance and know thereof."
4 And some of his disciples answered and said: Yea, Lord, it is as he saith, We have seen when he bought it. And th eLord said again "see ye not then how it bleedeth, and hear ye not also how it waileth and lamenteth?" But they answered ad said: "Nay, Lord, we hear not that it waileth and lamaneteth?"
5 And the Lord was sorrowful, and said: "Woe unto you becasue of the dulness of your hearts, ye hear not how it lamenteth and crieth unto the heavenly Cre3ator for mercy, but thrice woe unto him against whom it crieth and waileth in its pain."
6 And he went forward and touched it, and the horse stood up, and its wournds were healed. But to the an he said: "Go now thy way and strike it henceforth nno more, if thou also desireth to find mercy."
7 and seeing the people come unto himj, Jesus, said unto his disciples Becasue of the sick I am sick; becasue of the hungry I am hungry; becasue of the thristy I am athirst.
8 He also said, I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood, and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall not cease from you, even as it came to your fathers in teh wilderness, who lusted for flesh and they eat to their content and were filled with rottenness, and th eplague consumed them.
9 and i say unto you, Though ye be gathered together in my bosom , if y keep not my commandments I will cst you forth. For if ye keep not the lesser mysteries, who shall give you the greater
10 He that is faithful in that which is lest is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the mammon of unrighteousness, who will commit to your trust the true riches? ...

Hunting
And as Jesus was going with some of his disciple he met with a certain man who trained dogs to hunt other creatures. And he said to the man, Why doest thou thus? and the man said, By this I live and what profit is there to any in these creatures? these creatures are weak, but the dogs they are strong. And Jesus said, Thou lackest wisdom and love. Lo, every creature which God hath made hath its end, and purpose, and who can say what good is there in it? or what profit to thyself, or mankind?
and, for thy living, behold the fields yieldig their increase, ad the fruit-bearing trees and the herbs; what needest thou more than these which honest work of thy hands will not give to thee? Woe to the stron gwho misuse their strength, Woe to the hunters for they shall be hunted. And the man marvelled, and left off training the dogs to hunt, and taught them to save life rather than destroy, and he learned of the docties of Jesu and became his disciple.

Lion
and on a certain day as he was passing by a mountain side nigh unto the desert, ther met him a lion and many men were pursuing him with stones and javelins to slay him.
But Jesus rebuked them, saying, Why hunt ye these creatures of God, which are more noble than you? By the cruelties of many generations they were made the enemies of man who shoul dhave been his freinds.
If the power of God is shown in them, so also is shown his long suffering and compassion. Cease ye to be persecute this creature who desireth not to harm you, see y not how he fleeth from you, and is terrifed by your violence?
And the lion came and lay at the feet of jesus, and shewed love to him; and the pople were astonished, and said, Lo, this man loveth all cratures and hath power to command even these besats from the desert, and they obey him.

Nativity of Jesus the christ (Iesus)

Now the birth of Jesu-Maria the christ was on this wise. It came to pass in those days, that there went out a decre from Caesar Augustus, that all th world should be taxed. And all the people of Syyria wen to be taxed, everyo one to his own city, and it was midwinter.
and joseph with mary also went up from Galilee, out of the city of nazareth into Judea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem (becasue they were of the house and lineage of David), to be taxed with mary his espoused wife, who was great with child.
And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn child in a Cave, and warped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger, which was in the cave; because there was no room for them in the inn. And behold it was filled with many lights, on either side Twelve, bright as the Sun in his glory.
And there were in the same cave an ox, and a horse, and an ass, and a sheep, and beneath the manger was a cat with her little ones, and there were doves also, overhead, and each had its mate after its kind, th emale with the female.
Thus it came to pass that he was born in the midst of the animals which through the redemption of man from ignorance and selfishness, he came to redeem from their sufferings, by the manifestation or the sons and the daughters of God
And there were in teh same country, shepherds abiding in the feild, keeping wartch over their flock by night. And when they came, lo, the angel of God came upon them, ad the glory of the Highest shoe round about them; and they were sore afraid.
and the angel said unto them, fear not: for, behold, I bring ou good tidings fo great joy, which shall be to all people, for unto you is born this day in the city of David a saviour, which is Christ, the Holy oNe of God. And this shall be a sign uto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes lying in a manger.
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, Glory to God in th ehighest, and on earth peace twoard men of goodwill.
And it came to pas, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which our God hath made known unto us.
And they came with haste, and found Mary and Joseph in the cave, and the Baby lying in a manger. Ad when they had seen these things, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning the child.

Hand signs and liberals same

2009-07-03T13:03:00.000-07:00

i stopped listening to Rush when i realized he was a mouthpiece for secret combination (secret societies).

along with Oriely and Hannity, who claim to be a group of righteous people. and add glenn beck to that group too. They all have one thing in common. sign language.

God rebukes secret societies and the use of Speaking with their hands! Jesus rebuked an adulterous generation that seeks for signs. ONE of the biggest lies perpetrated on the american citizen is the sign of the "ok".
I called it the sign of the zero.

you can find this same hand sign found in many paintings of saints and jesus. but i asked the question whether or not these paintings are false witness.

when i read the verse in the book of revelation 18:4, i realized that men of God are declared to be following satan. i think this hand-sign fully defiines what they are all following, and i think they are not following jesus.
Come OUT of HER! the angel says, to the people of God.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080624130403AA3XKoC&r=w&pa=FZptHWf.BGRX3OFPgDBWVAwhMv3Q4g9u0gwNBJVuPpuEBFQ9CQ--&paid=answered#A4FOPkDFKHXU1Io2BSaP

Bohemian Grove, are they a people that worships God, or a fallen angel?
the participants at bohemian grove and around the country in other places participate in religious rituals, one of which is proxy human sacrifice? would not this be a fallen angel or an idol rather than the true God.

follow up question, bohemian grove participants, would not a proxy human sacrifice be defined as a terrorist ?

ACT!
under the laws Homeland security.

i understand that many hundreds of people are counted as terrorists for less simple and minor transgressions?

intergalacticsithalliance

2009-07-03T13:02:00.000-07:00

[16:04] GodofMars2: did you check out NRN yet?
[16:04] GodofMars2: and what is the link to your clan
[16:04] {SC}Darth_Terest: I am speaking with Arnon now.
[16:04] GodofMars2: ok nm
[16:05] {SC}Darth_Terest: My clan is more of an Alliance.
[16:05] {SC}Darth_Terest: I'm trying to see if NRN will be the first clan to join my allaince.
[16:06] GodofMars2: whats the link anyway
[16:08] {SC}Darth_Terest: 1 sec.
[16:08] {SC}Darth_Terest: http://newintergalacticsithempire.webs.com/
[16:13] GodofMars2: i would join your alliance but im still a good jedi.
[16:13] GodofMars2: lol
[16:14] {SC}Darth_Terest: Gtg, important issue.
[16:14] {SC}Darth_Terest: Have a good day.
[16:14] GodofMars2: isnt it true that All Sith get their power from spirit possession? or is it the true power of the higher levels of the sith masters ?!!!
[16:14] {SC}Darth_Terest: ?
[16:15] {SC}Darth_Terest: Palpatine had clones
[16:15] GodofMars2: oh yeah
[16:15] {SC}Darth_Terest: his spirit posseed one
[16:15] GodofMars2: now ive heard everythign
[16:15] {SC}Darth_Terest: then when that one died
[16:15] {SC}Darth_Terest: he would possess another one
[16:15] GodofMars2: ah thats the unwritten MOVIE
[16:15] GodofMars2: the secret he wanted to share with Vader
[16:16] GodofMars2: makes lots of sense to me
[16:16] {SC}Darth_Terest: the only way he was killed for good is that all the dead jedi had to combine their powers to trap him in the never world of the force forever
[16:16] GodofMars2: natural evolution and progression too
[16:16] {SC}Darth_Terest: It took all of them to trap him.
[16:17] GodofMars2: is this in a book somewhere ?
[16:17] {SC}Darth_Terest: So you see, Palpatine truely was the most powerful sith
[16:17] GodofMars2: i can imagine good jedi learning this secret too
[16:17] GodofMars2: and the knowledge not being evil

http://newintergalacticsithempire.webs.com/

lost manuscript korn found

2009-07-03T13:01:00.000-07:00

The Lost Archive
Missing for a half century, a cache of photos
spurs sensitive research on Islam's holy text
By ANDREW HIGGINS
January 12, 2008; Page A1

-- Munich, Germany

On the night of April 24, 1944, British air force bombers hammered a former Jesuit college here housing the Bavarian Academy of Science. The 16th-century building crumpled in the inferno. Among the treasures lost, later lamented Anton Spitaler, an Arabic scholar at the academy, was a unique photo archive of ancient manuscripts of the Quran.

The 450 rolls of film had been assembled before the war for a bold venture: a study of the evolution of the Quran, the text Muslims view as the verbatim transcript of God's word. The wartime destruction made the project "outright impossible," Mr. Spitaler wrote in the 1970s.

Mr. Spitaler was lying. The cache of photos survived, and he was sitting on it all along. The truth is only now dribbling out to scholars -- and a Quran research project buried for more than 60 years has risen from the grave.

"He pretended it disappeared. He wanted to be rid of it," says Angelika Neuwirth, a former pupil and protégée of the late Mr. Spitaler. Academics who worked with Mr. Spitaler, a powerful figure in postwar German scholarship who died in 2003, have been left guessing why he squirreled away the unusual trove for so long.

Ms. Neuwirth, a professor of Arabic studies at Berlin's Free University, now is overseeing a revival of the research. The project renews a grand tradition of German Quranic scholarship that was interrupted by the Third Reich. The Nazis purged Jewish experts on ancient Arabic texts and compelled Aryan colleagues to serve the war effort. Middle East scholars worked as intelligence officers, interrogators and linguists. Mr. Spitaler himself served, apparently as a translator, in the German-Arab Infantry Battalion 845, a unit of Arab volunteers to the Nazi cause, according to wartime records.

During the 19th century, Germans pioneered modern scholarship of ancient texts. Their work revolutionized understanding of Christian and Jewish scripture. It also infuriated some of the devout, who resented secular scrutiny of texts believed to contain sacred truths.

The revived Quran venture plays into a very modern debate: how to reconcile Islam with the modern world? Academic quarrying of the Quran has produced bold theories, bitter feuds and even claims of an Islamic Reformation in the making. Applying Western critical methods to Islam's holiest text is a sensitive test of the Muslim community's readiness to both accommodate and absorb thinking outside its own traditions.

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Learn more about the Corpus Coranicum project, plus read the Quran in English and see other languages and readings"It is very exciting," says Patricia Crone, a scholar at Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study and a pioneer of unorthodox theories about Islam's early years. She says she first heard that the Munich archive had survived when attending a conference in Germany last fall. "Everyone thought it was destroyed."

The Quran is viewed by most Muslims as the unchanging word of God as transmitted to the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century. The text, they believe, didn't evolve or get edited. The Quran says it is "flawless" and fixed by an "imperishable tablet" in heaven. It starts with a warning: "This book is not to be doubted."

Quranic scholarship often focuses on arcane questions of philology and textual analysis. Experts nonetheless tend to tread warily, mindful of fury directed in recent years at people deemed to have blasphemed Islam's founding document and the Prophet Muhammad.

A scholar in northern Germany writes under the pseudonym of Christoph Luxenberg because, he says, his controversial views on the Quran risk provoking Muslims. He claims that chunks of it were written not in Arabic but in another ancient language, Syriac. The "virgins" promised by the Quran to Islamic martyrs, he asserts, are in fact only "grapes."

Ms. Neuwirth, the Berlin professor now in charge of the Munich archive, rejects the theories of her more radical colleagues, who ride roughshod, she says, over Islamic scholarship. Her aim, she says, isn't to challenge Islam but to "give the Quran the same attention as the Bible." All the same, she adds: "This is a taboo zone."

Ms. Neuwirth says it's too early to have any idea what her team's close study of the cache of early texts and other manuscripts will reveal. Their project, launched last year at the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Science and Humanities, has state funding for 18 years but could take much longer. The earliest manuscripts of the Quran date from around 700 and use a skeletal version of the Arabic script that is difficult to decipher and can be open to divergent readings.

Mystery and misfortune bedeviled the Munich archive from the start. The scholar who launched it perished in an odd climbing accident in 1933. His successor died in a 1941 plane crash. Mr. Spitaler, who inherited the Quran collection and then hid it, fared better. He lived to age 93.

The rolls of film, kept in cigar boxes, plastic trays and an old cookie tin, are now in a safe in Berlin. The photos of the old manuscripts will form the foundation of a computer data base that Ms. Neuwirth's team believes will help tease out the history of Islam's founding text. The result, says Michael Marx, the project's research director, could be the first "critical edition" of the Quran -- an attempt to divine what the original text looked like and to explore overlaps with the Bible and other Christian and Jewish literature.

A group of Tunisians has embarked on a parallel mission, but they want to keep it quiet to avoid angering fellow Muslims, says Moncef Ben Abdeljelil, a scholar involved in the venture. "Silence is sometimes best," he says. Afghan authorities last year arrested an official involved in a vernacular translation of the Quran that was condemned as blasphemous. Its editor went into hiding.

Many Christians, too, dislike secular scholars boring into sacred texts, and dismiss challenges to certain Biblical passages. But most accept that the Bible was written by different people at different times, and that it took centuries of winnowing before the Christian canon was fixed in its current form.

Muslims, by contrast, view the Quran as the literal word of God. Questioning the Quran "is like telling a Christian that Jesus was gay," says Abdou Filali-Ansary, a Moroccan scholar.

Modern approaches to textual analysis developed in the West are viewed in much of the Muslim world as irrelevant, at best. "Only the writings of a practicing Muslim are worthy of our attention," a university professor in Saudi Arabia wrote in a 2003 book. "Muslim views on the Holy Book must remain firm: It is the Word of Allah, constant, immaculate, unalterable and inimitable."

Ms. Neuwirth, the Berlin Quran expert, and Mr. Marx, her research director, have tried to explain the project to the Muslim world in trips to Iran, Turkey, Syria and Morocco. When a German newspaper trumpeted their work last fall on its front page and predicted that it would "overthrow rulers and topple kingdoms," Mr. Marx called Arab television network al-Jazeera and other media to deny any assault on the tenets of Islam.

Europeans started to study the Quran in the Middle Ages, largely in an effort to debunk it. In the 19th century, faith-driven polemical research gave way to more serious scientific study of old texts. Germans led the way.

Their original focus was the Bible. Priests and rabbis pushed back, but scholars pressed on, challenging traditional views of the Old and New Testaments. Their work undermined faith in the literal truth of scripture and helped birth today's largely secular Europe. Over time, some turned their attention to the Quran, too.

In 1857, a Paris academy offered a prize for the best "critical history" of the Quran. A German, Theodor Nöldeke, won. His entry became the cornerstone of future Western research. Mr. Nöldeke, says Ms. Neuwirth, is "the rock of our church."

The Munich archive began with one of Mr. Nöldeke's protégés, Gotthelf Bergsträsser. As Germany slid towards fascism early last century, he hunted down old copies of the Quran in the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. He took photographs of them with a Leica camera.

In 1933, a few months after Hitler became chancellor, Mr. Bergsträsser, an experienced climber, died in the Bavarian Alps. His body was never given an autopsy; rumors spread of suicide or foul play.

His work was taken up by Otto Pretzl, another German Arabist. He too set off with a Leica. In a 1934 journey to Morocco, he wangled his way into a royal library containing an old copy of the Quran and won over initially suspicious clerics, he said in a handwritten report about his trip.

The Nazis began to use Arabists early in the war when German forces began pushing into regions with large Muslim populations, first North Africa and then the Soviet Union. Scholars were used to broadcast propaganda and to help set up mullah schools for Muslims recruited into the German armed forces.

Mr. Pretzl, the manuscript collector, appears to have worked largely in military intelligence. He interrogated Arabic-speaking soldiers captured in the invasion of France, then, according to some accounts, set off on a mission to stir up an Arab uprising against British troops in Iraq. His plane crashed.

Axel Hölper
Film from the Quran photo archive
Responsibility for the Quran archive fell to Mr. Spitaler, who had helped collect some of the photos. During the war, Mr. Spitaler served in the command offices in Germany and later as an Arabic linguist in Austria, gaining only a modest military rank, records indicate.

After the war, he returned to academia. Instead of reviving the Quran project, he embarked on a laborious but less-sensitive endeavor, a dictionary of classical Arabic. After nearly half a century of work, definitions were published only for words beginning with two letters of the 28-letter Arabic alphabet.

Mr. Spitaler rarely published papers, but was widely admired for his mastery of Arabic texts. A few scholars, however, judged him overly cautious, unproductive and hostile to unconventional views.

"The whole period after 1945 was poisoned by the Nazis," says Günter Lüling, a scholar who was drummed out of his university in the 1970s after he put forward heterodox theories about the Quran's origins. His doctoral thesis argued that the Quran was lifted in part from Christian hymns. Blackballed by Mr. Spitaler, Mr. Lüling lost his teaching job and launched a fruitless six-year court battle to be reinstated. Feuding over the Quran, he says, "ruined my life."

He wrote books and articles at home, funded by his wife, who took a job in a pharmacy. Asked by a French journal to write a paper on German Arabists, Mr. Lüling went to Berlin to examine wartime records. Germany's prominent postwar Arabic scholars, he says, "were all connected to the Nazis."

Berthold Spuler, for example, translated Yiddish and Hebrew for the Gestapo, says Mr. Lüling. (Mr. Spuler's subsequent teaching career ran into trouble in the 1960s when, during a Hamburg student protest, he shouted that the demonstrators "belong in a concentration camp.") Rudi Paret, who in 1962 produced what became the standard German translation of the Quran, was listed as a member of "The Institute for Research on and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church Life." Despite their wartime activities, the subsequent work of such scholars is still highly regarded.

By the mid-1970s, Mr. Spitaler in Munich was nearing retirement at the university there. He began moving boxes into a room set aside for the dictionary project at Bavaria's Academy of Sciences. His last doctoral student in Munich, Kathrin Müller, who was working on the dictionary, says she looked inside one of the boxes and saw old film. She asked Mr. Spitaler what it was but didn't get an answer. The boxes, she now realizes, contained the old Quran archive. "He didn't want to explain anything," she says.

In the early 1980s, when the archive was still thought to be lost, two German scholars traveled to Yemen to examine and help restore a cache of ancient Quran manuscripts. They, too, took pictures. When they tried to get them out of Yemen, authorities seized them, says Gerd-Rüdiger Puin, one of the scholars. German diplomats finally persuaded Yemen to release most of the photos, he says.

Mr. Puin says the manuscripts suggested to him that the Quran "didn't just fall from heaven" but "has a history." When he said so publicly a decade ago, it stirred rage. "Please ensure that these scholars are not given further access to the documents," read one letter to the Yemen Times. "Allah, help us against our enemies."

Berlin Quran expert Ms. Neuwirth, though widely regarded as respectful of Islamic tradition, got sideswiped by Arab suspicion of Western scholars. She was fired from a teaching post in Jordan, she says, for mentioning a radical revisionist scholar during a lecture in Germany.

Around 1990, Ms. Neuwirth met Mr. Spitaler, her old professor, in Berlin. He was in his 80s and growing frail, but remained sharp mentally. He "got sentimental about the old times," recalls Ms. Neuwirth. As they talked, he casually mentioned that he still had the photo archive. He offered to give it to her. "I had heard it didn't exist," she says. She later sent two of her students to Munich to collect the photo cache and bring it to Berlin.

The news didn't spread beyond a small circle of scholars. When Mr. Spitaler died in 2003, Paul Kunitizsch, a fellow Munich Arabist, wrote an obituary recounting how the archive had been lost, torpedoing the Quran project. Such a venture, he wrote, "now appears totally out of the question" because of "the attitude of the Islamic world to such a project."

Information about the archive's survival has just begun trickling out to the wider scholarly community. Why Mr. Spitaler hid it remains a mystery. His only published mention of the archive's fate was a footnote to an article in a 1975 book on the Quran. Claiming the bulk of the cache had been lost during the war, he wrote cryptically that "drastically changed conditions after 1945" ruled out any rebuilding of the collection.

Ms. Neuwirth, the current guardian of the archive, believes that perhaps Mr. Spitaler was simply "sick of" the time-consuming project and wanted to move on to other work. Mr. Lüling has a less charitable theory: that Mr. Spitaler didn't have the talents needed to make use of the archive himself and wanted to make sure colleagues couldn't outshine him by working on the material.

Mr. Kunitzsch, the obituary author, says he's mystified by Mr. Spitaler's motives. He speculates that his former colleague decided that the Quran manuscript project was simply too ambitious. The task, says Mr. Kunitzsch, grew steadily more sensitive as Muslim hostility towards Western scholars escalated, particularly after the founding of Israel in 1948. "He knew that for Arabs, [the Quran] was a closed matter."

Ms. Müller, Mr. Spitaler's last doctoral student, says the war "was a deep cut for everything" and buried the prewar dreams of many Germans. Another possible factor, she adds, was Mr. Spitaler's own deep religious faith. She opens up a copy of a Quran used by the late professor, a practicing Catholic, until his death. Unlike his other Arabic texts, which are scrawled with notes and underlinings, it has no markings at all.

"Perhaps he had too much respect for holy books," says Ms. Müller.

--Almut Schoenfeld contributed to this article.

Write to Andrew Higgins at andrew.higgins@wsj.com

• Read the letters to the editor on this article

Conception of Christ Tibetan story

2009-07-03T13:00:00.000-07:00

Immaculate conception of Iesus the Christ

And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent fro God, unto a city of Galilee, anmed Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; an dthe virgin's name was Mary
Now Joseph was a just and ratioal Mind, and he was skilled in all manner of work in wood and in stone. And Mary was a tender and discerning Soul, and she wrought veils for the temple. And they were both pure before God; and of them both was Jesu-Maria who is called the christ.
And the angel came in unto her and said, Hail, Mary, thou that art highly favoured, for the Mother of God is with thee: blessed art thou among women and blessed be the fruit of they womb.
And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favour with God and, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a child, and He shall be great and shalt be called a Son of the Highest.
And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? and the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Spirit shall come upon Joseph they Spoiuse, and the power of ht eHighest shall overshadow thee, O Mary, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Christ, the child of God, and his Name on earth shalt be called jesu-maria, for he shall save the peole form their sins, whosoever shall rpent and obey his Law.
Therefore ye shall eat no flesh, nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be consecreated unto God from its mother's womb, and neither flesh nor strong drin shall he take, nor shall razor touch his head.
And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God no thing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to they word. And teh angel departed from her
and ithe same day the angel Gabriel appeared unto Joseph in a dream and said unto him, Hail, Joseph, thou art highly favoured, for the Fatherhood of God is with thee. Blessed ar thou amonng men and blessed be the fruit of thy loins.
and as Joseph thought upon these words he was troubled, and the angel of the Lord said unto him, Fear not, Joseph, thou Son of David, for thou has found favor with God, and behold thou shalt beget a child, and thou shalt call his name Jesu-Maria for he shall save his peole from their sins.
Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which ws written in the prophets saying, Behold a Maiden shall conceive and be with child and shall bring forth a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God within us.
Then Joseph benig raised from sleep did as the angel had bidden him, and went in unto Mary, his espoused bride, and she conceived in her womb the Holy ONE.
And mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Judea and entered into the house of Zacharias and saluted Elisabeth.

elephants nephi

2009-07-03T12:59:00.000-07:00

yahoo question asked: are there elephants in the americas?

maybe there are wooley mamoths in north america
but the book of mormon quote is talking about south america or mexico

see the yahoo link below for definitive archelogy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090610144157AAaklK3

see the website about mormon answers:
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_BMProb2.shtml#elephant

best answer was:
The Jaredites not only wrote their witness to the elephant, but they claimed the animal was of great use to them. The Jaredites lived in Americas long before Lehi and his family arrived.
Eminent Austrian Ethnologist, Dr. Robert Heine-Geldern reported to one Dr. Cyle Keeler that there were five elephant effigies found in Mexico.
Dr. Verrill, a well-known archaeologist who did fieldwork for the Museum of the American Indian, Heye Foundation, when describing figures from Cocle, Panama said “The most astonishing of the idols is one bearing a figure which is so strikingly and obviously elephantine that it cannot be explained away by any of the ordinary theories of being a conventionalized or exaggerated tapir, ant-eater or macaw. Not only does this figure show a trunk, but in addition it has the big leaf-like ears and the forward-bending knees peculiar to the elephants. Moreover, it shows a load or burden strapped upon its back.”

why doesnt god destroy false religions

2009-07-03T12:53:00.000-07:00

some one asks why God doesnt destroy all false religions

i answered on yahoo QAR&S
dont be opposed to all religions in every sense of the word and dogma, even i protest many doctrines.
Jesus himself protested false prophets and "leaven" of the pharisees and saducees and also "traditions" and false teachers.

Now! i am a witness... (sigh)
i have seen jesus and an angel appeared in my bedroom. i have learned all the inconsistencies that i can think of in the bible and in christian traditions and false imaginations of interpretations. (but its not all "our" fault) its not their fault due to the conspiracies that have existed throughout all history.
My Mother is a humanist Atheist also! and i grew up with grant to free agency. I chose to follow religion and submit and to believe in righteousness and hence i became a witness for being a valiant as I couldve been.

why didnt he stop other religions!
this question can be answered several ways and 10,000 authors can write 1000 books each on this subject. if they had the will. clearly freedom of religion is a god-given right, according to the constitution and bill of rights. (as one fact)
free agency and free will are used synomonously to explain we have been given the right to choose, although in every generation God has sent prophets to declare idolatry to be a sin
and it is also obviously NOT true that every False religion has survived, except only that humans chose to follow them.

when men lived 900 years on the land, God destroyed all flesh because he said later, if all men were like babble, no flesh would live and be saved. because all flesh were dominated by satan-devil-worshippers. and all flesh became corrupted because of sexual practices that made the land filthy with disease.

therefore it can be concluded that God did destroy all enemy religions with the generation of NOAH, and then destroyed several cities agains for doing the same things with sodom and gomorah in the days of Abraham
and then by the time Moses became the ONLY Authority and Prophet in the earth, the armies of Israel, (the chosen covenant people of the times) were then commanded to destroy all these idolatries. So in one sense you are wrong about your conclusion, but in another sense you are correct.
this is what jesus said: Let good and evil grow up together! (do you remember this verse?) and in the last day, bind all the tares together and all the wheat, and cast the tares into the oven to be burned.
so you see one day Jesus (who was given "all authority in heaven and in earth) has a day of judgment appointed, and those that are the wheat will be those who are resurrected because of righteousness unto righteousness.

so i hope you read all these possible answers! otherwise you wont have any answers. to reprove your assumption.

antimormon pamphlets and rebuttles

2009-06-19T13:12:00.001-07:00

boy i sure do like it when people make "swipes" at me, or the LDS church when I KNOW they truly dont know the facts.
rumors, gossip, slander and outright lies have been the curse of christianity from the beginning.
for my testimony, i didnt even know the church existed or the BoM and yet as a true believe that is exactly what the spirit of revfelation taught which no other church teaches. Eternal marriage, 3 heavens and a few other visions as well as personal prophecy.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calling_All_witness_of_Jesus/?yguid=300812187
come here if you want to reasonable debate scripture

go here if you want to read some antimormon pamplets and then read the rebuttles.
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/public9/PamphletsAntiMormon

read my testimonies in the answers i have given for the last year and a half and compare what you are taught with what i say.

we are brothers in christ. dont let slander and superstition convince you otherwise.

Is it true? that being born again is not limited Water and baptism of the spirit?

2009-06-01T14:41:00.000-07:00

Is it true? that being born again is not limited Water and baptism of the spirit?

is it not true! a true born again christian is defined by the bible verse which say: they no long sin?
that their seed remains in them! (what does that mean?)
and can being born again ultimately only apply to being resurrected?
1 Pet. 1: 23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Link #1

john 3:9

Link #2

this link goes to scriptures lds.org and has several quotes

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_jn/3/9#9
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/b/37

to be saved or not from Witness4jesus

2009-05-18T14:27:00.000-07:00

Can a true Christian lose there salvation?

in my opinion true christians dont exist unless they are born again of water and spirit and do not sin and their seed remains in them.

how many people qualify in all four categories

now a true believer! that might be a splittingof the hairs.

i say i was born again when i was 15 or 16 because of the spirit
but truly i never fulfilled the NOT sinning or the seed requirements. but nevertheless I am a witness of christ. and something counted.

a true christian might exist if you call them a true believer of a lower promise. whether they believe a lie or not. but no one can obtain the best resurrection if beleive in a lie or failed to forsake all their sins. then you have backsliders and the sometimes disobedient and the rebellious and those that HATE.

it is possible to "not" be saved even if one believes they are saved.

trailer trash born again question

2009-05-18T14:25:00.000-07:00

The question wouldn't post without the asterisks

There's something peculiarly inbred about the "B*orn A*gain". It's like the t*railer t*rash of faith?
A sort of catch all for those that cannot rise beyond an 8th grade level education. Is mental r*etardation an aid to faith? a question asked by benignMalignant. He adds: The question wouldn't post without the asterisks

A true born again Does NOT SIN and his "seed" remains in him.

these are two mostly unknown verses in the bible after the preachers and pastors get done dividing the word where they mean exactly opposite of what is the truth.

all men who are true saints are born again but are of a better sanctification and are justified by God and therefore never could be trailer trash

however, as i admit, if you believe only in the born again definition of being baptized by water and of the holy ghost /spirit. you will find that such beliefs are limited in vision and understanding. as mine was! i still claim i was born again when the angel (or holy ghost appeared in my bedroom) because it was a baptism of fire. but i also testify i thought it was Jesus and prayed for forgiveness because i had missed the rapture. but every christian i talked to for years claimed it was satan.
anyway. everyone starts out as babes in christ and they have to dilligently learn and study to understand many things. for the Lord knows there are many false teachers in the world that claim they know the truth.

i dont claim to know the truth! as i have repeated on Q&A repeatedly. but i know one thing that many, even the highest educated dont know. I am a witness of christ.

and it is biblical, that God gives to poor treasures of the gifts of the spirit and they are rich in the spirit. so dont dismiss trailer trash out of hand! because some people esteemed as nothing might be the judges even i have to face on judgment day! some that are highly esteemed of the earth will be the ones crying to god for a drop of water.

SaviourFAther father-mother Son-daughter?

2009-05-18T13:10:00.001-07:00

the jewish bible contains traditions of God being Father-Mother from Genesis

but the english bible does use the word Father and erases the mother

others just accept that God is an entity which i whole heartedly disagree

it is a fact that God says he can be jealous.
it is fact that God can love and experience rage.

another fact which i think pertains to the SAVIOUR christians teach is Jesus, says that one of these two beings was tired and had to rest. while the sambe bible says God never rests.

in the christian bible it clearly says that Jesus was baptized of john and a voice was heard by everyone standing nearby and the voice said this is my beloved Son.
jesus was later resurrected and appeared unto his disciples with a body that was not a spirit, but because they feared it was a spirit he invited them to touch his body and see for themselves.

i assume Jesus was resurrected with body parts and passions and as he was Male gender in life, he was resurrected as a male.
if the english translation says he was a son from the voice in heaven and it was never altered, then truely this implies His Father OUR Father in heaven is also a Male.

Parley P pratt and the first LDS christians of mormon tradition also believed because the old testament in English says God has passions and describes that he also has body parts, that God therefore is not just an entity or a spirit but a living being who can give birth to children. Body parts and passions are the conclusions of LDS traditions.
but it doesnt stop there, when joseph smith went to inquire of the lord which church to join, he saw two personages.

not just jesus.

and we know in english that God made Man in HIS image and likeness and in Form. before he created EVE, To me this clearly proves that God was/is Male. but it also proves after he created Eve that there are female goddesses as well, but whether they have matriarchal societies on other planets is debateable.
right now i can accept that there are females as goddesses and possibly even as saviours.
but on this planet OUR saviour helped His Father created this planet for his plan of salvation. To US there is only this ONE God and saviour/judge on this planet there is no other.!

followup question on tibetan new testament

2009-05-18T12:14:00.000-07:00

how many christians of any denomination believe the bible has been altered to reflect political beliefs ?
i want to particularly discuss the tibetan new testament which was translated in the 1880's and i also want people to check it out.
i would like to add every GOOD verse that is not in the bible! and debate the verses that are traditionally NOT biblical at all! or western culture. has anyone looked at the link yet?

sorceriesORspiritofGod

2009-05-18T09:28:00.000-07:00

How do i ask this question? Is there a difference between the spirit of God and sorceries?
dealing with spirit and mind and intoxication and pleasure, perfume and huffing?
can a person of christian strong beliefs confuse a chemical "high" with the spirit of God and be decieved by sorceries. ?
if a person Huffs he gets high.

yet huffing is so Dangerous it can kill or leave someone in a coma or brain damaged.
but if a sweet smell like candy covers up the chemical poisons is there still not a danger to the mind.?

Example: this weekend i was invited to church and the chapple was small, So one woman came in with a perfume so strong it filled two room and nearly the outside as well.
was her perfume so strong to cover-up a poison intentionally. is it wrong use perfumes while it is mixxed with an intoxicating chemical ( or potion) that even the guest speaker said He had the spirit of God.
this is where the question arises. Did he have the spirit of God or was he intoxicated by a perfumed chemical or sorcerers potion?

rev 18:23

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApDQVHdTw2BIh270QyafIQXty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090516112750AAMpDvM

i wish i couldve been at the vote on this.
many people take the voting in sustaining leaders as absolutely correct while Apostles who are sustained seem to get excommunicated, later on.
my questions arise out of the inconsistency of poisons of pharmecuticals and simple cafeine. many pharmecuticals are just as wicked as pure cocaine and LSD which street-drug-dealers are outlawed from dispensing.
and if you legalize all drugs as some claim, wont this be a step closer to a brave new world where everyone is forced to take drugs ?
i think people should consider dr anne blake traceys books and other books on pharmecutical drugs. truly in my opinion the legalization of prescription drugs is the same thing as having a drug dealer with more money legalized.

and i also believe in some respect the same drugs made by drug companies are used by those who have prescriptions to poison others and which Dr Tracey says All drugs cause some Psychosis. which is also not well for legalizing drugs.

secret combinations in All churches

2009-05-15T16:21:00.000-07:00

for me its secret combinations and witchcrafts
the godmakers has a testimony of witch entering the temple.
witchcraft is a sin.

sorcery is rebuked by the book of mormon repeatedly

p.s. but after all that! the testimony i have gained from the HOLY Ghost and several ways of revelation and prophecy, my testimony still led me to this church and confirms the doctrines. i dont practice anything that might hurt anyone mentally or cause sleep deprivation. i have prayed to God and raised my hand in priesthood authority and things have happened. so i am just a witness of Jesus. and i am seemingly alone.
the works of the satan in babylon is sorcery see rev 18:4, 23

however to be fair! parley p pratt had a difficulty with something about plural marriage and received the teaching of the "healing craft".

the sign of the zero was first recognized by me (i.e. the OK sign) at priesthood meeting.
and i thought it was for SURE! the sign of the devil. others said it was a party and we' are all coming (i.e. in your mouth).

so when i see people like Oreilgy and Glenn Beck doing it. i know its not of the temple, it has to be of the "world".
but when i read the story of lotts' daughters and how they drugged the wine and connected it to the "wine of fornication" of sorcery, i knew there is something wrong. and when i read verse 4 i know the entire world is deceived as much as the eldest daughter deceived the younger. probably because she was pregnant and wanted to cover it up.
but when i read in the book of acts how the early saints burned their books of secrets (i.e. witchcrafts and sorceries) and the publicly told everyone what these things were, PEOPLE everyway have to KNOW that the chruch of christ does not follow satan in these matters. Even homeopathy is discounted in the old testament. if cafiene is a poison to the body and it is the word of wisdom HOW MUCH MORE are pharmecutical prescription drugs and how much more evil exists when people actually learn to POISON others.

and I swear the last time i went to church in an LDS sacrament, two of the best people in the ward and a stake president sat down in front of me and instantly my mind was poisoned and intoxicated with a poison that is so lethal to the mind that many poisons like it were the cause of me NOT sleeping for for 13 years and still continues to plague me.

these two men had families and pews that they couldve and shouldve sat with, but they chose to come to the back and sit in front of me. and yes even after not sleeping for two days when i couldve gone home and slept i went home right after sacrament and did not sleep that night, as i knew i wouldnt, and still had to do another 12 hour shift the next day for work.

dont tell me this evil doesnt exist, it has always exist. and the bible proves it. and according to verse 23 there are many people that believe its of God. and for me i believe it is all deception.

alexJones conspiracy. truth or Hype and exageration?

2009-05-15T12:26:00.000-07:00

i was intrigued by alex jones when i first heard him i think, on coasttocoastam.com.

what he says is happening now, he claims to have been warning about for 15 years. Everyone has their bias.

but the rumors and testimonies on his radio show seem very genuine
i listened to Joel skousen the other night and this guy has a higher education constitutional law and is a very high top security consultant along with having a resume with Pres Reagan.

or you can connect to joel skousens weblink and C2C past shows for more information
the web site is free to look but there is a subscription which i was a subscriber i think for 10 years.

anyway joel and alex both agree, and even Glenn Beck agrees but only in part.
here it is:

that conspiracies exist from the beginning of the history of Adam and EVE till our day through Noah and his son Ham and Egyptus. remember Noah cursed hams sons
,the curse continued with sodom and gormorah through canaan. and from Lotts' daughters through his wife.

conspiracies continue from the same church which is not a church, per se, which is described in Rev 17 and 18:4;23

and though i have always thought the aluminati was

spiritual experiences testimony PROOF of God

2009-05-14T18:04:00.000-07:00

one of my first spiritual experience was when i layed down and stopped breathing. i heard a knock at the door and got up to answer it. the door was open when i walked into the next room and i saw a spirit floating above the ground. i waved the spirit off and went back to lay down.

earlier i prayed with pat robertson to be baptized with the holy spirit. and very shortly after i came home from school and after i did my normal routine, i stopped listening to my rock n roll and layed down for a nap. instantly my room was illuminated by a white light and the presense of a personage. when he leaned over to touch me, I whipped around and the scene vanished. i thought i had missed the rapture so i prayed for forgiveness.

im skipping alot to make this brief.

after that i prayed on my knees to learn how to pray. as soon as i raised up from my knees, i heard a still small voice to turn on the tv, where the preacher was teaching luke 11, about the exact same question the disciples asked christ.

later after i had backslided i desired to obtain forgiveness and while reading 1cor 14 last verse, about obtaining the gift of prophecy, i prayed and fasted and of course received personal revelation and the spirit of revelation to teach me. i saw visions while i was awake too.

after joining the LDS church because of the specific visions and revelations, i also found a promise about receiving the gift of the holy ghost and other things were done too. including having a determination to forsake all lusts. and lo and behold in an out of body experience i beheld MY first vision of Christ. and two follow up vision/dreams happened likewise. and other prayers/questions were answered by the glory of christ.

so !!! if this is not enough to prove to me that there is a God or a saviour or a holy spirit or angels. i dont know what is.
im telling everyone that will listen this is truthfully what happened to me in my life. i have had many other experiences that are torture from human devil worshippers and satanists throughout my whole life as well. their existence proves that evil exists and at least They beleive they want something else which is NOT righteousness and will afflict me often and even hunt me as prey ! or even some have sought to kill me. and truly i have had several other experiences of near death testimony and subsequent re-animation and revival.

joel skousen and world war 3 and conspiracy

2009-05-14T12:23:00.000-07:00

i created a few audio files that i think people should listen to. its not just alex jones its joel skousen who worked with ronald reagan

i protest about politicall correctness and spam

2009-05-13T17:43:00.000-07:00

in my honest beliefs Nothing i ever post on this blog, is intended to be spam or in my opinion ever is.

everything i have linked to is reference for more details. and usually has meaning alongside with topic and is usually created by myself or by someone i trust.

link to adio files peterlavinda edits

2009-05-13T17:39:00.000-07:00

2009-05-13T16:47:00.000-07:00

if its in the bible its not hate speech

2009-05-13T16:39:00.000-07:00

recently canada launched a law that prohibits religious people from quoting scripture that say in english that God declares sodomy and other perversion of sexual types such as beastiality as "abominations".

in english translations God uses the same word which is trnslated to english several times for
describing OTHER sins and objections from his divine origin.

while some religious people use hate speach against homoseexuals the term is exactly biblical.

and any attempt to makes laws such as hr 256 and 262 is a violation and a "conspiracy" to demonize what the constitution says ia Right given by god to freedom of religion. I think making laws against hate speech that are directed against christianity for quoting bible doctrine that reproves wickedness is HATRED against christians.

and if i could i would call down earthquakes and plagues upon the united in levels higher than now is being recorded.

but who am i? i am a witness of Jesus.

jesus was married Cont.

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in the gosple of 12 appostles there is actually a woman named as the wife of jesus, here name is miriam. Glenn kimball compiled this "Tibetan" new testament and i thank him for it.

in the link above there is a web page to the 1880 manuscript. or translation if anyone is interested.

i have believed that jesus was married since i first began understanding the link to the bridegroom at the marriage of cana. even though Jim Hanlon declared he didnt believe in it. I thought i had just had a revelation while reading the verses.

Later on C2C Glenn Kimbal reinforced this extra biblical knowledge and i purchased the book Jesus was married from his old website. i had read several texts about plural marriage for early LDS authors too, so it was not a foreign idea to me. but when Glenn Kimball spoke out about jesus being married i became a full believer, Never will there be enough proof that teaches me jesus was never married.

then i purchased several other books or manuscripts from his website i think it was in 2003 or 2004 but only recently i found it again. because i had to pack up all my stuff and move it to storage.
any with much more time to spare i began reading it in church parking lot. and i was intrigued about the INTRO so i posted it on skydrive for my group to look. I found that there were indeed missing bible verses from the 4 gospels. and it doesnt surprise me any more.

there are indeed some Different traditions mixxed in with the verses too as well. for instance jesus is called Son-daughter and God is called Father-Mother. i dont believe at all this tradition is true. but nevertheless the contemporary movement exists and people do beleive it and on yahoo i did find a jewish person or so i think, that says this tradition goes back to the book of genesis when Gods were called male and female. the reason i debunk this part of the Essene type manuscript is that God made ADAM first in his imgage and likeness and form. AND after the he made EVE from Adams rib and then there were those that were called goddess in the form of females.

i cross reference that to pauls words: there may be gods many in heaven and in earth (speaking of idols) but to us there is only one God and there are three that rule/reign in heaven The father the son and the holy ghost each have life individually and separate.

well anyway check out the new stuff and the links

and god bless.

if you find an interesting interveiw and want to discuss just post away. i also have a religious group for more detailed religious discussions.

im listening to last night interveiw with JOEL and already i found an interesting edit about the bail outs.

वहत वुड यू दो इफ सोमोने सैद गे इस ओके, होमोसेक्सुँलिटी!

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22 aThou• shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is babomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 aDefile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are bdefiled which I ccast out before you:
25 And the aland is bdefiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore akeep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these aabominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28 That the aland spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

tibetan new testament

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compiled by Glenn kimball

12apostlesGospelIntro Can anyone believe this at all?

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The Gospel of the Twelve Apostles compiled by Glenn kimball translated by the Rev. Gideon Jasper Richard Ousley 1892

There are many compilations of the acts of jesus and His apostles collected and preserved in a variety of locations around the ancient world. this one in particular is of interest because it was originally written in aramaic and preserved by a faction of hte ealiest Essene communities in a Buddhist onastery. they chose Tibet because of the safety of the monasteries after the death of christ. It was also safe from the ravages of the Nicene Council under Constantine.
The Essene Flavor is evident from the "gegetarian" emphasis. However, that should ott be a sever conflict with the rest of the christianity.
The wonderful aspect of this particulare text is that it is greatly expanded from any version of the New Testament stories commonly available. We should celebrated that these versions survive in our day.
An Irish Clergyman, Rev. G.J. Ouseley claims to have discovered the original gospel from which th epresent Four Gosples were dreived, which he says was "preserved in one of the bhuddhist monasteris in tibet, where it was hidden by some of hte Essene Community for safety from th ehans of the Corrupters, and is now for the first time translated from the Aramaic."
This statement was made by Rev.Ouselyey in a preface to his publication of theis gospel, in a book entitled, "Gosepl of the Holy Twelve". E.F.Udny, in an introduction to this work, writes: "At the time of the Corruption of the Gospels, the epistles and Revelation were presumably already in existence, and if the Gospels were tampered with, so no doubt was the rest of the new Testament, whic is now equally destitutes of the teachings removed from the Gospels. It may well be that uncorrupted copies of the Epistles and Revelation were similarly sent by the Essenes to the safety of a Buddhist monastery, and that, when the world has assimilated to the New Gospel, those, too may be given us."
Rev. Ousely claims that he received a transcription of the original Gospel from a Buddhist monastery in tibet where it is preserved. Rev.Ouseley writes: "the early chritian fathers did well their work of destroying the sources and records from which they gathered the information and data put by them in the Bible. But they failed to destroy it all. some escaped , and as it is discovered here and there by patient research workers, it is astonishing to seee how the world has been deceived by the Christian Fathers."
We have referred elsewhere to the "corruptors" who were hired by the church fathers at the council of Nicea to alter the original text of the Gospel, leaving out their doctrines that were obnoxioius to their emperor, Constantine, whome they desired to convert to Christianity, which he opposed. Chief among these objectionable doctrines were the prohibition against the use of flesh meat and alchohol, and the recommendation of kindness to animals, all of which contituted the fundamental doctrines of hte teachings of Christ. On this point Udny writes: "The great significance of the corruption of hte Text lies rather in the nature of the matter struct out by the 'corrector' than in the amount. It is evident that the 'correctors' and those appointed them were at least unwilling to denounce their beef and beer, a convenient allitaration for flesh and alchohol."
In the original Sanscrit and Aramaic gospel, the duty of abstaining from meat and wine were emphasized, while in the later versions, itwas omitted. Since those who founded the Christian Church, like their emperor, Constantine, were meat eaters and drinkers of wine, anturally they were opposed to these doctrines, who acceptance would involve a reveolutionary tranformation fo their living habits, they interpretedt ehf irst promise to mean, "Thou shalt no kill". Implying that the commandment applied only to humans and that hte slaughgter of animals was not killing.
The original Gospel, representing the teachings of Christ, the Lord of Love, taught harmlessness and compassion to all living beigs, including both animals and humans. For reasons above stated, the Roman Churchmen at Nicea opposed these doctrines and eliminated them from the Gospels, which they radically changed so as to be acceptable to Constantine, who loved the red meats and flwowing wine of his midnight feasts too much to accept a religion that prohitbited these pleasures, which was a main reason why he so bitterly persecuted the early christians who advocated these doctines. For this reson the church Fathers changed the Gospel in such a way th atLove and Compassion were limited only to human beings but th e animal expression of life were excluded from receiving these benefits. But the saviour of hte Original Gospel, as Christ were represented to be, was a redeemer of the animal world, as he was of men, seeking to alleviate the sufferings of all living beings.
"The all pitying love of Our Saviour embraces not only mankind, but also the so-calledlower creaturs of God, sharers withus of the one breath of life, and with us on the road of ascent to that which is higher. never has the providence with which the All-mMerciful watches over mand and beast alike been more impressivelybrought home to us than in the saying of the Saviour, "Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, but not one of them is forgotten by God'. How were it possible to doubt that the saviour would have pity and compassion on the creatures who must bear their pain in silence? Would it not seem a blasphemy if it were said that He would behold without pity or succor the ill-treatment of helpless animals? nay, rather, when he brought redemption to a world sunk in selfishness, hard heartedness and misery, and proclaimed the gospel of all embracing love, there was a share in ths redemption for all suffering creatures; since when man opened his heart to the divine love, there could be no room left in it for pitiless harness twoard the other creatures of God, who have, like himself, been called into life with a capacity for enjoyment and suffering.
'The who bear the mark of the Redeemer practice His all pitying love; an dhow little it is that the minimum of compassion for helpless creatures demand of us; Only not to inflict on them torture; to help them when they are in trouble, or when they appeal to us for succor, and if of necessity we take their life, to let it be a speedy death with the least pain- gentle sleep. But, alas, how little we are penetrated with these divine lessons of mercy and compassion. How many grievous tortures are penetrated with these divine lessons of mercy and compassion. how many grieveous tortures are inflicted on the, under the pretense of science, or to gratify an unnatural appetite, or curel lusts, of the promptings of vanity!"
We shall now present the Original Gospel claimed by Rev. Ouseley to have been preserved since the early centuries of our era in a Buddhist monastery in Tibet, which expounds the doctrines of christ on universal compassion, vegetarianism and kindness to animals (involving abolition of animal sacrifices). Of which teachings the barbarous practice of animal sacrifices, which was recomened by the Old Testament, a book accepted as holy and divinely inspired by both the jews and Christians, was abolished and rejected by the new Christian chruch, so that it never played a part in Christianity as it did in original Judaism.
After the Couhncil of Nicea, when this gospel was changed to suit Constantine, as well as converted in to Four Gospels, "jesus Christ" while his humane, vegetarian and pacifistic doctrines were largely eliminated and replaed by a false supernaturalism.
Rev. G.J. Ouselyey
In 1881 an english misniters, Rev. G.J. OUsely, got hold of a hitherto unknown, not rewritten evegelical text. This uncorrupted text has century after centruy been secured from all falsification in a buddistic monastary in tibet, since the day a man has hidden it there, a man of the Essene society. Ouseley translated the arameic text and gave it the name The Gospel of hte HOLY Twelve. It has later been translated into German.
During the last century also many old fragments of hte gospel have come into light. Some of them have been found in old libraries and other from excvations. These framents are called Logins or Agraphas. They are older than and more original than the canonized gospels. Their grate value is due to the fact that they are uncorrupted. The curious thing is, however, that many parts of these fragments mostly agree, word for word, with the Gospel of Ouseley, though they are completely missing in the canoncial gospels.
The Hungarian physicician, Prof. edmond Szekely, found some ten years ago an evangelical text in the royal library in Wien, written in old Slavonian language; he copied it. Later he found the original to the old slavonian translation in the Fatican Library. the original, that was translated int the Slavonian language, was written in Aramaic, Szekely in 1937 published the parts which deal with the health of the human body, about 1/8th of the text. His pamphlet was published in german under the name of Heliand.
End.

http://members.tripod.com/jrbrooks/The_Rev_G_J_R_Ouseley.htm

There are many things which I have to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit the Spirit of Truth whom I will send unto you from above, shall guide you into all truth, and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you from above, shall guide you into all truth, and bring all things to your rememberance whatsoever I have said unto you."
"after my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withohold, bu the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with helaing in his wings."
"I am the Way, the Truth, the life. The doctrine which I teach is that which I am. I am IT and IT is I."
"There are also many things which jesus did, the which if they should be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that should be written" --S, John {A.V}

"In dreams and visions of the night when deep sleep falleth upon men, then doeth the All wise open their ears and sent to them instructions." Book of Job.

http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public7/hiddenstoriesJesuschildhood%20page89.txt
hidden stories of jesus pg89 pt2

http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public7/Gospelofthe12ApostlesIntro.txt
skydrive text

another yahoo violation

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this time i asked a quetions about the baptism of fire

Rev right or wrong! i think he was correct

2008-09-23T22:57:00.000-07:00

you are not completely WRONG,
but you cannot hold this criteria to ALL people 100% of the time

people are influenced by their peers, there is no way a person can disagree with this !

OBAMA has been allegedly connected to CRIME, but thats politics. MONEY buys politicians.
Kennedy was assinated because he tried to overcome the criminal Pressures of his family business, oh thats only one scenario.

I defend rev Wright who was Obamas' pastor. until he resigned. (i believe that was the wrong decision) there was a period in my life where i couldnt say in any degree of faith or righteousness that GOD should bless this nation.

this nation is more vile than any Hitler Nazi regime or its 3rd Reich.

this nation is so close to the wrath of God! That maybe God himself would choose muslim terrorists to make them cry Jihad against america and be justified.
remember the revolutionary war was about terrorists fighting against tyranny! ARE they justified?!!! or not?

there are people in america, on the other hand, that are pure in their beliefs, even if they are misguided in their teachers and doctrines. Rev Right, was an example of what many people in america believe! andthere is substantive evidence for everything he said and yet was villified! i wonder why!? most of the media are connected to the conspiracies that combine together to JOin EVIL organizations for profit and greed. not for building the kingdom of God

proxy human sacrifice

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According to alex jones the bohemian grove practice Proxy Human sacrifice! is this not a form of terrorism?

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if this is NOt a form of terrorism
could it be considered Tyranny?
what side do you weigh in ON?
is it tyranny or terrorism or completely unrighteous!

Mum of r4 asked about faith

2008-09-14T13:21:00.000-07:00

LDS: Can I please have your thoughts and insights on Ether 12:6?
Ether 12: 6 - http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/12/6#...
6 And now, I, Moroni, would speak somewhat concerning these things; I would show unto the world that faith is things which are hoped for and not seen; wherefore, dispute not because ye see not, for ye receive no witness until after the trial of your faith.

What are your thoughts on the reason why we have to prove our faith before we can receive a deeper knowledge or witness of truth?

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Respectful answers from people of other faiths also welcome. (I directed the question to LDS because the scripture I quoted is from the Book of Mormon)

I reply:
my "witness" of jesus christ the glory of the sun of righteousness came when i was 27 after i was weeping with tears, in the back of my van parked in My fathers' driveway. it came after 6 months of poison and sleep deprivation and the loss of my job working at nintendo. I realize today my witness was not equal to joseph smiths testimony and that there has to be a greater vision/visitation than that! i know i have had paralel experiences.
but i also know faith came to me early on when i was about 15 or 16 when i first began to be "born-again".
God gives greater truth and light, prophecy and revelation, to those that prove their faith. The buffetings of Satan become greater, because the war of good and evil has come to the inhabitants of the earth.

from knowledge and Experience i know you cannot give give a novice the greatest responsibilities of church. i know that if a novice received the greatest revelations He would be required to fulfill the greatest requirements.

to such is given the greatest requirements. a few prophets have buckeled under the weight. and it came to be known that God only gives to people "line upon line precept upon precept" (studying the scriptures). and God does Not require a person to "run faster" than he is able.

and i am pretty sure i have met DEATH face to face on several occasions because of my faith and my testimonies. but i am also pretty sure i have buckeled under the weight thereof too as well.
read some of my other answers and questions you might get more ideas of what i mean.

kit replied:I think its because God won't give a witness to everyone just because. We need to show that we have faith. I think that the "trial of [our] faith" may just be pleading to know, because you have faith that He will answer you. Or a testimony will come through a hard experience.

Hope this helped!

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comparing Niv to Kjv rev 3:21

2008-09-13T06:30:00.000-07:00

Revelation 3:21-22
New International Version
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
King James Version
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

at face value this verse looks the same! but is it a "right" to sit on the throne of God, or is it a "grant".
the only way a persons sits on the throne, though, is if they "overcome" all things. for jesus the last enemy to overcome was death.

Niv compare Kjv

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Isaiah 61:1
New International Version
The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me, because the Lord has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn and provide for those who grieve in Zion--to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of gladness instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of despair.
King James Version
The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.

i always liken the debate about bible purity and perfection to what jesus said about psalms 82:6

reincarnation test i dont believe the results

2008-09-08T12:02:00.000-07:00

terry asked:
What will you become? ?
Please do this quick fun test to find out what you might become in your next life...
http://www.reincarnationstation.com/

I reply:
32% can get better than i
but i can answer half the questions different ways depending on the mood

according to the bible reincarnation is not given as a promise of the next life
it says we are "appointed" once to die. Yet it says there is a second death.

i personally believe that reincarnation is a possibility for those that are Too good for hell but not good enough for paradise.
the bible also says that the people who were sometimes rebellious in the days of the "flood" remained in spirit prison until the day of the resurrection of jesus.

but listening to So many testimonies on the radio show (coast to coast) of children in america and in india all testifying of things they wouldnt normally know seems to imply the reality of reincarnation.
all i know is i would rather pray for death judgment and resurrection rather than return to mortal life as many times as there are leaves on a tree!
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as for what animal picture was presented, it was a bear.
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if thats what i will be reincarnated as. I know its based on a false belief. but looking at it one way living as a bear, will only last a few years. LOL, i dont believe it.

1.
Heb. 9: 27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

1.
Matt. 24: 38
38 For as in the days that were before the aflood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
2.
Luke 17: 27
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
1pet3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God;

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0876043627/ctoc
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2006/08/04.html
http://www.pastlives.com/

animal or all the host of heaven created first

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Kyle asked:

According to the Bible, God created animal or man first?

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I think animals, but I want to make sure. thanks for answers

i replied:
yes animal

but other commentary teach that ALL the host of heaven Existed before the earth was formed. the sons of God, the lower angels and the Godhead all existed and said let us make man.
God created all things on earth in the spirit world before they were created in the earth. and after all things, except man, were created God said There is no one to till the land So he created Adam. then after Adam worked the land and named all the animals. which implies KNOWLEDGE and growing knowledge! God said it is not good for man to be alone. So EVE was created through a cloning process and was genetically altered and a spirit was joined to eves' body. thus the origins of man and woman have their beginning for ALL mortal men born of woman.

Does satan exist, theories

2008-09-05T13:27:00.000-07:00

Somone asked this question:
Christians, some Christians don't believe in Satan, I thought you all did?
Here a Christian guy said that he does not believe in Satan, I tought it was part of your religion?
LOOK AT THE ANSWER provided by micah
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

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Who tricked Eve to bite the fruit?
WASN' IT SATAN?

SOOOO? I guess you don't even know your own religion!!!!!!!!!!!

I replied:

YEP
its a growing theory!

a movie called Bedazzled exemplifies the current belief from hollywood.
i do believe it has some jewish roots.

but any wicca christian believer will say the same thing. other christians will denounce that wicca can be christian.

I personally believe that fallen angels that existed from the pre-pre-existence are the source of demons and satanic possession(s). however Sorceries and mind control can also make it seem like a person is possessed through post hypnotic suggestions or PURE delusion separation of reality. Something like virtual sleep walking. but if possession is of the former than Satan Does exist.
if possession is of sorceries and mindcontrol, than its possible that satan is a superstition that is based on mind control alone.
i believe life exists on other worlds in the galaxies and i believe part of the war in heaven also includes worlds that rebelled against God being Surpreme ruler. All of these worlds can be the origins of satanic races and devil beings.
but its just a theory based on a few readings of URANTIA.

what i see in pharmecuiticals and illegal drug

2008-09-02T13:02:00.001-07:00

the church of satan
secret combinations
unrighteous mammon
unrighteous sorceries.

rev 18:23

ok what i see in the world, is people practicing sorceries at the work place. People who dont practice sorcery are poisoned and most people do not know it.
they come home and they cant sleep. why? because they were poisoned at work with stimulants
so they lay in bed all night and when its time to go to work, the drug starts to wear off.
but they go to work anyway and lose another day of sleep
Once in a while someone will give them a sleep potion and they go home and sleep. but having access to their home can and do have people that enter and can poison foods like bread rice and milk or even the bed is poisoned and a person lies down and while they wouldve fallen asleep driving their car home, laying down on the bed they find no sleep because its poisoned.
a person goes to the doctor and gets drugs to help them sleep, and like pain killers they become addicted to sleeping pills.
when they stop working ! a person says to doctor i need something else, referal to a psychatrist is given and a person is automatically claimed to have several types of mental illness.
the drugs are causing Health hazards but are not directly called the source of hte problem. the fact is HIS coworkers are making poisons themselves and causing the illness.
Every stimulant that is poisoned in the air, causes symptoms of withdrawl and deppression. every time a person loses sleep they are often found to dream sleep while they are awake. more symptoms of mental illness. these people are part of a secrect combination which use sorceries and pharmecuticals to control other people
Some people do it for Rape and sodomy others do it for control and power.

some people actually USE the system to obtain the high grade manufactured drugs and use the drugs on other people. they fake their own mental illness to get gain of the drugs which are mass produced.
i have found the meth labs often make their own drugs for poison, not for recreational use. buy illegal drugs for control is always a secret of society and criminal drug rapists. There is no healing in any of htese things just continued addiction and money and power for sleep disorders. which they cause themselves to begin with.

im not tooting my own horn why does Jesus

2008-08-31T11:56:00.001-07:00

first before i do, it seems yahoo wont let me ask question online, can they block users from asking questions?
well? i tried 3 x

this is my situation! i literally am a witness of jesus, some people say this alone is a form of authority and can be justification.
If anyone can achieve this level of justification, doesnt a person have to MORE of the truth than his peers?

or does Jesus Appear in glory to any unbeliever on the day of their conversion to someone that has no experience and no biblical training?

question lds beliefs of plural marriages

2008-08-30T22:20:00.000-07:00

Steven L asked this question:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080830134725AAaYUwL

Do Mormons really believe Jesus had MANY WIVES?
Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young, said: "The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based on POLYGAMY,…A BELIEF IN THE DOCTRINE OF A PLURALITY OF WIVES CAUSED THE PERSECUTION OF JESUS, and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons" (Mormon - Journal Of Discourses, Vol. 1, pg. 345-346)

The Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde made these statements: "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana at Galilee:...no less a person than JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED on that occasion. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pg. 259-260)

"I will venture to say that if Jesus Christ were now to pass through the most pious countries in Christendom with a TRAIN OF WOMEN, such as used to follow him he would be mobbed, tarred, and feathered, and rode not on an ***, but on a rail. . . (Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde - Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pg. 259-260)

On another occasion Brigham Young (2nd Pres. of the Mormon Church) stated: "The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN: . . ."(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, (Mormon - Journal of Discourses Vol. 2. page 210)

THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS [Jesus] WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. (Mormon - Journal of Discourses Vol. 2. page 210)

before mankind learn all the particulars of Christ's incarnation how and by whom he was begotten; the character of the relationships formed by that act; the NUMBER OF WIVES AND CHILDREN HE HAD. . . . " (Mormon - Millennial Star Vol. 15. page 825)

We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit THEIR Wives IN ETERNITY as well as in time; . . . " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)

The Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt stated: ". . .it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST " (The Seer. page 172)

[Jesus] by MARRYING MANY honorable WIVES himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the PLURALITY OF WIVES under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His Polygamist ancestors lived. " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)

"We have now clearly shown that GOD THE FATHER HAD A PLURALITY OF WIVES, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His first Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)

Your Answer:
i do !
but my bishop does not
i believe study of church history will prove that brigham young and parley p pratt did too!
i think that means joseph smith did too

different forms of jesus

2008-08-30T00:36:00.000-07:00

on the one hand the bible says God never changes,
i can accept that that means his appearance never changes and also his works and judgments.
but the bible says that Jesus appeared in a different form to two disciples.
the tv series Joan of arcadia implies that jesus can appear in any bodily form and does, i think because of this same verse.
however Paul also writes that jesus does not appear as a man traveling on the road which contradicts the 2 disciples testimony that it was jesus!

on the other hand there is a demon LORD Similitude in the tv series Buffy the vampire slayer which does change appearance and form to confuse and deceive all people.
Ed Dames as a remote veiwer says that holographic imagery can produce similitudes that have mass and visual experiences! he spoke of bigfoot in this example.
if jesus appeared in his resurrected body, I would Tell the world that his body does not change, that it would be the same body he was resurrected with.
that being said, however, i recall that there is a doctrine of teaching which says jesus is lord over at least 12 other planets! if this is true! Jesus might have access to 12 other resurrected bodies. which means at the same time Jesus can appear in 12 or 13 forms of body which are different frome each other.
the complexities of what happens in the eteral galaxies and the plans of salvation can be very confusing. Unless direct revelation and answers are given specifically from the presense and mouth (lips) of jesus himself.

false prophets anti christ chips

2008-08-28T17:22:00.000-07:00

chris f asked this:
if the bible is a fake, why is stuff prophesied thousands of years ago is coming in place?

false prophets?
anti christ is coming?
they even have chips* mark of the beast* out already
use your scientific to explain this 1

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some1 said there was no such thing happening
it is my friend your being too blinded to see it. i dont blame you its just ignorant

first i am a believer, then i seen an angel and i become a witness, then i see jesus and really become a witness.

ok that said false prophets are not limited to people who are called prophets but it applies to teachers as well.
the bible Is not a fake, i believe it and everything in it, until someone proves that something went wrong. ive asked a few quesitons myself on the PERFECTION of what is in it. I came to the conclusion that not ever word is "god-breathed" as some christian churches have changed the word inspiration to.
anti christs existed in the days of Paul, in fact there were OTHER Messiahs, one of which is recorded in the book of acts ch11. i think he was one of htem.
There are even a couple false Jewish messsiah living today.! so antichrists that call themselves christ exist today. but they at least believe they are followers of righteousness.
there are many others that exist that are NOT righteous. the aluminadi is supposed to be this one world oligarchy, but ive been told they are as much antichrist (evil) as any son of perdition.

as for chips. Yes Katherine Albright is a major source of all the evil plots and conspiring done to undermine everything for the sake of a chip. but there are only a known 300 people that have ever been chipped, the last i heard, and many of these are getting the chip removed.
however, that said, the mark of the beast is not just a chip! the mark of the beast is a fraternity of historical allegence the mark of the beast dates back to Cain who was given a mark in the forehead. after Cain received it there began an entire culture of people who copied the mark in covenants to satan. this mark has never been destroyed from the earth since the days after the flood.
this is Gods' world, the title has been given to jesus,

i hope i answered the topics in question, i have said more on these topics in other details. in other questions and answers.
but always remember the world rejects the servants of God and in todays world of mass media, that doesnt say much for the truth, if a thousand people can stand up and Mock or deny the servants of God, because of politicall correctness. and truth suppression or either by economic manipulation.

exaltation marriage and partnership

2008-08-28T11:11:00.001-07:00

before america passed equal rights constitutional ammendments women were 2nd class citizens.
in the times of the old testament it was no different.

Eve was the cause of disobedience to Gods' commandment, therefore it was the designation of women to be a little less authoritative in the world.

2tim Adam was not deceived. but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
it is a custom of the old world that continues to this day. I wouldnt say that saul hated women, i would say He was subject to Traditional Interpretations of current beliefs.

Even Jesus showed a change in this erroneous belief system. therefore his disciples said husbands love your wives, Wives do not usurp yourhusbands, Jesus clearly said a man and a woman will leave homes and become ONE.
therefore it is a marriage covenant that man and wife are Partners unto exaltation, without the husband a wife cannot bear children in righteousness and receive forgiveness, without the wife, the husband cannot receive a fulness of exaltation.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

2008-08-27T17:52:00.000-07:00

citizenLup asked this question:
Why do Christians believe the Bible to be true and claim they are good people?
When it says things like this

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. they shall say to the elders of his town ,"This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all the Israel will hear, and be afraid.

Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy sabbath of solemn rest to the Lord; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; there blood is upon them.

Seems to me if they believe that they are just as wicked and sick as most inmates in the correctional systems.

i answer:
one of the many things ive learned on this section of QA is that sometimes Atheists get it! and they get some things correct. putting evolution aside.

the bible is called the perfect word of God. Every JOT and Tittle will not pass away. Yet the bible code is corrupted. so the code can be changed if someone understands its secret.
the new testament is riddled with minor personal commentary which are called absolutely true today! some even go as far as saying every word is God breathed which is changed from "inspired by God".

as a born again protestant christian i believed everything i was taught because MY LEADERS couldnt be deceived! right?
as an lds witness of jesus, i saw Jesus! so I KNOW like the prophets and greater teachers of christianity that Atheists are completely wrong but justifiably misguided.
the bible NEVER was intended to be the absolute truth, it was meant to be a small library of canon that everyone can hold in their hands if one could afford it. but in our day everyone can afford it. its something that allows believers to ponder on the mysteries of God. and keep their minds excercised on the things of faith.
that be said in answer to your question, in deuteronomy, Jesus said forgiveness is greater than punishment He also called people who believe in such things should turn the other cheek. NOT to hate enemies but to love them. after all most hatred is percieved NOT real.
there are a few things that christianity changes from the OLD testament. eating food and mikvahs are one practice.
another way of looking at this verse is that it was NOT God who spoke but it was inpiration of the time. so it is again NOT all the God breathed words of God .

antimormon allegations history of the lds church

2008-08-27T17:34:00.000-07:00

Are there any ! lds! mormons, who know why anti-mormons condemn joseph smiths testimony?
are there any lds that have studied the history of the lds church and also the history of anti mormon allegations. ? can we know the answer to the discrepency of the joseph smith varied versions?
stupid typos

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ok! i dont see anyone answering the question, and it is sure peculiar that i dont know any of these "mormons" lds who are answering!

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Well,? !! one thing is Sure! i got better answers to OTHER questions that i didnt even need to ask.
for example: can it be proven that false witnesses beleive what they teach? and always teach the: "what is called the truth"!

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s that there were any more prophets after the crucifiction of Jesus, and it seems odd that someone would find "plates" in the middle of nowhere in the Northeast of the US. Stretches the imagination is all.

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Yes, there are 3 different accounts of the first vision that Joseph Smith wrote. Some Anti Mormon Site has it somewhere, i'll try to look it up.

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BECAUSE JOE SMITH WAS A LIAR AND A PSYCHOTIC NUTJOB.

THERE ARE 3 OR MORE VERSIONS OF THE "FIRST VISION"

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My boyfriend was an Elder in the LDS religion. He went on his mission and didn't leave the church until he was 22. Joseph Smith read "golden plates" out of a HAT. The people are FAKE and so is everything Joseph Smith said. Not to mention all the other garbage they fed him.

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I'm a former member of the church if that helps you at all, not quite what your looking for I know.

For one thing, look into the papyrus J Smith claimed to translate. They rediscovered it in the 60's, finished translating it in the 80's. It was just an Egyptian book of the dead, very common to be buried in egypt where the scrolls came from. Sort of proves Smith wasn't right.

Also the testimony of the man who found the plates. Smith claimed he got a certificate of authenticity but the man wrote on it later saying he gave no such thing to Smith, who's plates looked like nonsense from what you could tell.

The book of mormon includes a huge copy from revelations. But there's a mistranslation in the book of mormon version that exactly the same as one found in the King james version avaible at the time Smith existed. If the book of mormon was protected from the apacrasy it would not have had the same mistranslation as one specific version of the bible, the one the mormons/protestants use.

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because they want to. you look hard enough you can make anything have the end result you want. my mother is a perfect example of this! no matter what is done or said somehow she finds a way to make someone elses fault. you can do that with any religion. you want to disprove something- there is always something out there that you can try and use to your advantage. lawyers do it all the time- they make something out of nothing to help their client regardless if it's the full truth or not!

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1. There isn't one bona fide witness who saw the golden plates.

2. He claims on occasion to have had to run carrying the plates, which from his description, had to have weighed well over 200 if not 300 pounds, gold is really heavy.

3. The resulting Book of Mormon sounds like it King James English. People in up state New York did not talk that way in the 1820s.

4. There are some chapters in the Book of Mormon which are word for word identical with some chapters in the King James Bible.

5. No language expert has ever heard of "reformed Egyptian".

6. No city, no feature of the land, has ever been found to verify what's written in the Book of Mormon.

His whole story just does not hold water.

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Mormonism says it is a reinstatement of the original church from the time of the apostles. Funny how can be as the original church never died out.

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There is no answers to the claims Smith made. Try as you may you cannot make a lie into truth.

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Actually there were 9 early accounts of the First vision. Are they contradictory? No. This is an excellent article that explains it all.

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vg...

And "Pastor"...all 6 of your claims are false. I'm sure you believe them but if the accusations fit your prejudices, truth is easliy pushed aside.

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The whole concept of being okay with Polygamy and then not being okay with it totally contradicts the validity of Joseph smith's testimony.

They also said that black people were "cursed" hence why you'll never find a black Mormon.

They also force you to tithe and last time I checked, giving was something that you do voluntarily.

Read "Mormonism 101"

It will blow your mind when you consider how anyone could possibly stay Mormon and not bother to read up on what they are actually supposed to be believing. I think people are just drawn to the warm family centered atmosphere but then don't ask the important questions like:

Who am I? (A child of God)
Where am I headed? (To hell)
Why am I headed there? (because man sinned)
How do I stop it? (Jesus already stopped it, you just need repent which means to say your sorry and mean it and try to stop sinning.)

You might say: "But Mormons believe in Jesus don't they?" And the Answer is "no." They believe in a different Jesus. The Mormons say Jesus was "just a prophet" and "a" son of God and we are all sons of God but that's just not true. God created us and he has a "one and only son".

Many parts of the bible verify that Jesus was the son of God and not "just a prophet"
John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life"

And that's plain as day. It can't be misinterpreted.

If you're reading this, You need to know God loves you and has a plan for your life. You just need to let him show you by asking for forgiveness. Have you lied? Stolen? maybe even murdered?
It doesn't matter how many times, God is a holy God and sin cannot be in his presence. That is why God sent his son, to pay for your sin so that he could have a relationship with you once again.

May God bless you!
Source(s):
The Bible, "Mormonism 101" and personal experience.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080827164501AAiM62v&r=w
LDS are like JWs. If you catch them in a lie, they swear, "I never said that."

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Ha! A Mormon 'studying' is like a judge reading witness testimony after he's already given his verdict.

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Joseph Smith has some real problems with credibility. LDS folks must follow him loosely to some degree because of some of his behaviors. The fact that he sent off young married men to New York as missionaries and then apparently committed fornication with their wives is one example.
Joseph Smith was a lover and a fighter, and not the best example of a godly man.

His use of seer stones and his involvement with the Masons and their rituals does not help his reputation.

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tv guide customerservice

2008-08-27T16:17:00.000-07:00

kennewick charter communication 99301

Ok, very quite often i realize tvguide online does upgrades, but everynow and the ch. 17 and 63 and maybe one other channel are offset by timezone. thats ion and disney cartnoon channel
another thing ! i have 2 computers and on one computer i never get my zip code even though im logged in and registered. it always starts off with eastern zipcodes, so on one ocmputer i have to change my settings every single time. and on the other every nown and then, i thought it was my personal setting on the computer, but i cant figure it out.
http://www.tvguide.com/CustomerService/default.aspx
http://www.tvguide.com/listings/default.aspx

Does anyone use TV guide online to get their favorite tv show times?
http://www.tvguide.com
with this said! how long before the free registration become a full fledged subscription service?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20080826194551AA0QO20

simon peter was he a messiah in historic Judaism

2008-08-26T18:32:00.000-07:00

Is NOT Simon Peter One of these alleged Historical "anti christs"? in the book of acts ch 8?

Acts 8: 9, 11
9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

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this man is villified as a sorcerer. according to these words I think history says he also boasted of raising someone from the dead.
but this sorcery, is the same thing I have been answering people for many years. it is used to Fake church and heavenly authority it is used as a weapon of warfare for our minds and is used to control religion.
rev 18:23
for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

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i think these two verses answer the question! however if a man practices great and powerful sorcery, first he is a fraud if he practices these things but secondly do people do err when they follow these kinds of men. and third i do think it is true that he was one of the antichrists, which they called a Messiah.
so i ask for some credible answer on the knowledge of history. can being a sorcerer qualify a man to be called a messiah?
this question is a follow up on a previous question about many contenders who were called messiah in Jesus' generation

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i was corrected so much on the form of the question i deleted it and rewrote the question as follows:
Is NOT Simon the sorcerer One of these alleged Historical messiahs? in the book of acts ch 8?
Is NOT Simon One of these alleged Historical "anti christs"? in the book of acts ch 8?

Acts 8: 9, 11
9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

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rather than let the typo and error remain i decided it would be better to delete it

2008-08-26T18:14:00.000-07:00

angel asked:These men were exacty the same as the mythological Jesus?
He healed the sick, fed the hungry, and raised the dead. He performed miracles and his followers said he was the Son of God. Three days after his death, he rose again to proclaim salvation to the world. His name… Apollonius of Tyana. And he was just one of several preachers and miracle-workers of the First Century who rivaled the fame and following of Jesus. Who were these “Rivals of Christ?” Why did the Mediterranean world of AD 1 seem to create so many Messiahs? And why did the faith of Jesus win out over the similar sects of the day? In this documentary, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC CHANNEL examine the New Testament and the historic rivals of Jesus to learn what makes a Messiah, and how a religion is born.

There was more than one Messiah and, just like Jesus, the other messiahs were said to heal the sick, raise the dead and were even called the 'sons of God'. So why are they forgotten?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3126202689810625112&ei=1L6zSNKWD6eQqwO188DHDA&q=the+rivals+of+jesus

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so many statements and questions about false christs. the term antichrist is not without use in the letters of the bible.
i have looked into this in some detail. the only messiah that was resurrected was jesus.
and there were contenders ! there is no denying it.

there are two points to consider: first the disciples of jesus were about to go and rebuke a few people and jesus denied them from doing it.
second. one must also look into the "ends" of the lives of the "other" christs and OTHER historical virgins bearing children as well.
the one thing you cant say about satan, is HE does not lack for imagination and in creating false beliefs and false religions instead of the true authority of priesthood in the earth, and there is lack of followers for these same things.

the book of revelation describes the church of satan as the opposite of a bride and ONE of the major weapons of deceit is the use of Sorcery to deceive the world, that "THEY" have the power of God.
be not negligent in this OTHER FACT of history.

but in my case the FACT is absolutely true. Jesus still lives.
and no matter what era of religious history you look into there is always false prophets and when these have gained power they always seem to kill and destroy the true prophets.
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11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
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Rev. 9: 21
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
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Rev. 18: 23
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

craft of healing or witchcraft plain and simple

2008-08-26T17:59:00.001-07:00

to be honest im not active in any church.
i came to the point that it was more evil to go to church than NOT to.
i was sleep deprived for almost 15 years and complaining of being poisoned on a daily basis where i was not allowed to sleep for 2 or 3 days at a time and then it came to a point where i would only sleep ten minutes a day or one day a month.
but i believe in christ
and i try to believe everything that seems true
in the tradition of the protestant churches i alligned myself but found that the LDS church theology has a lot more available.
but its hard to believe what is true when even the lds online HERE disagree with each other, which shows me that geographically there are areas of false teachers and leaders already leading into "error". i know ive been reproved on a couple of occasions by posting questions on QA

as for your statement about wicca. i am almost pretty sure that All religious groups have some wicca in them. and LDS membership is included.
I think its wrong to practice magic in secret, but Parley P Pratt said he would learn the craft of healing. so im pretty sure he was talking about some form of antiwitchcraft. but at the same time having lived with the inability for the craft of healing to ever bless me continually, I realized that I was never healed.

a dream of hell

2008-08-26T17:43:00.000-07:00

MsC asked this:

I Had A Dream That I Was In Hell?
I had a dream that I was in hell. My mom said it was a vision from God. It was so real. The devil was talking to me and I saw people burning. I was the only one who wasn't getting put into the flames. I woke up, but I was dreaming from another dream and then I woke up.
There is more to it..but I don't think I should tell all. But I don't know why I was there. But I was safe but scared and the devil was warning me not to jump or I'll join them.

i answered:

there are several possiblities here!

first ive been there many times!
ive seen different things and experienced other things of of purgatory and paradise as well.

some things can be hypnotic mind control, with suggestive illusion through the use of hypnoNarcotic drugs.(according to carla emery) in the old english and biblical equals this is often refered to as witchcrafts and sorceries.

so be careful what dreams are of the Holy Ghost and what dreams of mans secret combinations.

there are 5 or 6 different sources of dreams, the rarest of all source if from God, in person.
Jesus follows in rarity and then the holy ghost and angels.

if angels can give dreams, they can fall like "rain" if it be the will of Godhead. or at the same time be completely silent.

if angels can dream so can fallen angels! and with my experience so can Satan! these kinds of dreams can be false.
all dreams can be Imagination.
Most people are hard wired to dream. this hard wire is the ability of creation for God to communicate with us, and for angels too. satan and his angels abuse this gift of the mind and torture some people. these same being have taught these practices to men who worship them and have made allegeince and covenants with satan. again, the practice comes to calling it witchcraft and sorceries.
as for the the other questions in you additional details!
if it was the devil that said not to jump i would think it was not the devil.
and i dont recall where the devil actively shows people HELL when at the same time he tries to deceive the world he doesnt exist at all?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080826173009AAxAZ4P

yahoo QA customer abuse ToS

2008-08-26T16:31:00.001-07:00

there is alot of abuse in yahooQA, there are those that actually make a game out of getting the most violations and insulting others, from perspective it is mostly mockers of religion and atheist that do this.
most christians get fed up with slanderous answers from atheists and satanists. so they just excercise their right to have a little peace of mind while asking and answering truly religion questions.
i personally have gone round and round with Yahoo ToS and customer service for getting proper religious questions deleted.
I asked a purely correct question and got a violation. it was removed to this day. i appealed, and it was still rejected. while at the same time i see literally tens and hundreds of question that are exactly the same type and manner and they dont get violated.
it pisses me off (excuse my slang)
when i first started Yahoo actually deleted my entire account, i had 7 years worth of files on other accounts and in yahoo groups and archived in email. i lost them all!
i asked one particualar question and it was violated because it used the word harlot in the biblical verse . they never did reinstate it. i asked another question it was violated, it was called a rant. so edited the question and published a watered down version, it was also violated even though it was only 3 or 4 lines long. Yes abuse exists even at yahoo customer support. !

lion of judah asks atheist religious question

2008-08-25T12:10:00.000-07:00

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080825115802AAIjQRZ
Atheists, what made the people want a murder released and Jesus killed?
If Jesus did no harm, why would the people yell that they want a murder released to them and the Man Jesus killed instead?? What possibly could have been His crime?

Does atheism have to do with anything about religion and spirituality, no. But nevertheless, I ask you anyway. :)

lion of judah asked atheists this question

i think its rude to ask atheists a religious question in a religious section so i replied:
im not an atheist, can i give my 2 bits worth of educated opinion?

first His Apostles proclaimed his blamelessness and that he did not sin.
second, those that were offended were not the true servants of God, they bribed Judas with 70 pieces of silvers, that is not an act of righteousness, nor something that is expected of those teach the teach commandments.
third there was a secret combination (conspiracy) alleged in the bible that people vowed not to eat until Jesus was dead.
fourth political manipulation to KEEP power, the term wickedness in high places was also mentioned.

jesus himself said a parable about a LORD who send his servants to check on the managagers of his properties. the managers killed the servants so the LORD finally sent his son, when they killed him too, the LORD himself came and took away his own property.
i think jesus was being knowledgly prophetic

why does God not answer some prayers

2008-08-22T18:27:00.001-07:00

this dilemma is not unknown

as for my own prayers since the day i became born again believer i have had prayers to almost all of my prayers.
the best answer was seeing an angel appear in my room at the beginning the greatest answer to prayer was seeing the glory of the lord Jesus.

but the most instantaneous example was asking how to pray, then standing up and hearing the "still small voice" say: turn on the tv, (or something like that) i walked across the room, turned on the tv and the minister on tv was talking about the lords prayer in LUKE ch. 11 in answering the same question of the disciples of christ.

there might not be any need for you to be given ANY answers
you might have to show daily diligence in prayiing, knocking, seeking, and asking.

you might be trying to lie the Holy Ghost but that is usually reserved for those that call themselves atheists.

prayer can be a soul searching experience, and is always not lip service.

# there might also be something that happened in the pre existence of your life. i am not sure of this answer, but lets suppose you made an agreement not to get your prayers answered as a type of a challenge to your faith which is already good enough. or the same thing can be said that you chose not to have prayers answered so you can have a normal life!
believe me having prayers answered is not easy, thousands of atheist will put you in a straightjacket seeing that i am experienced with the ridicule of mass mockery from unbelievers. So not getting a prayer answered miraculously can save you from persecution as well as having some peace of mind.
there is another possible reason too.
some people are given gifts, and some people are born that have to rely on the gifts of others in order to have their own gifts mean something. spiritual gifts are given for the edification of the members of the church. maybe you dont need to have a gift for the church, maybe your personal gift is only for a few and thats all you have to worry about ?

God bless, i hope one of these answers fits your particular life experience.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080822180254AApwPkl

how is a cult created

2008-08-22T13:09:00.001-07:00

brainwashing is a misplaced descriptive word which means mind "control" technically brain washing is a term which "erases" memory.

i would not want to start a cult

but i know how it is done in all churches!
the bible says that pharmekia is the sin of sorcery and is often called witchcraft too.
psychadelic drugs and mind altering poisons are created. the poison is administered into a congregation to simulate the PRESENCE of the SPIRIT.
and when it is called the spirit of God people follow without too much rejection. afterall its a drug that makes one feel good like alchohol makes people say they have "the spirits" with them
now when a peson is poisoned and the euphoria declines a person is left with a symptom of mental illness, so people make pills and potions to SELL so that the mental illness goes away. its like smoking pot too. good highs and crashing.

however a person doesnt get rich selling snake oils so, a group of people combine together to call their potions medicines and force people through medical ascoaciation to prescribe the original poison, and then they invent a term called psychology which is supposed to cure mental illness but it really never cures anything, different medicines cause different altered states, symptoms of these altered states cause withdrawls and more mental illness, which sells HUGH profits in the billions. until finally the whole nation learns to make their own potions and poisons and pretends to fight the good fight and has the spirit of a god to heal. thus religion requires secret combinations to gain power.
thats what the world DOES, its not a fairy tale.

yellowstone or grand canyon Paranoia

2008-08-22T11:32:00.000-07:00

#
D&C 42: 68
68 Therefore, he that lacketh wisdom, let him ask of me, and I will give him liberally and upbraid him not.
drove through it yes, or some part of it. to escape my predators who threatened to kill me in an extreme case of Total paranoia.
but i dont think i really escaped their stalking presence.
would i go back YES this time to enjoy the scenery.

oh wait! it wasnt yellowstone per se, i think it was more parts of the grand canyon. it was only one day, sigh, and im sure i was in the area.

i bottomed my car on a sand-bump in the road, i was frantic and thought for sure the death threats were real that i might die any minute from the hands of my pursuers. lol, i prayed, and calmed down and used car-jack to raise the rear of the car and the front wheel drive pulled the car foward enough to get unstuck.
i dont think in my entire life i was ever that paranoid with just cause or without.
i learned to trust in the lord for protection with greater strength because of that day.

some of the scenery was great in the passing canyons

osama bin laden

2008-08-18T18:52:00.000-07:00

if i were to tell you that osama ben laden was/is a servant of God would you burn me at the stake? of course!
but if i told you that OUR own U.S. government placed Mr ben laden into power would you reconsider?
our own government follows Satan, therefore it is true that america follows satan, not God.
if osama is truly fighting a losing battle, despite political origin, or religous beliefs his actions prove ONE thing, there is a greater EVIL in the world that are greater Terrorists than just al queada.

comparing D&C and Timothy 2 eating the forbidden fruit

2008-08-18T07:46:00.000-07:00

D&C 29: 34, 36, 40, 42
40 Wherefore, it came to pass that the devil tempted Adam, and he partook of the forbidden fruit and transgressed the commandment, wherein he became subject to the will of the devil, because he yielded unto temptation.

compare this verse to the one timothy ch.2
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Gen. 3: 6.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

ok, ive always believed that Adam resisted temptation. and it was eve alone that went to adam and he partook because he didnt want to lose his wife. but genesis clearly says adam was present with eve at the tree. but it says adam was not deceived. clearly the D&C verse declares adama a transgressor, but the bible says only eve was in the transgression. at least thats whats implied. was adam at the tree when eve ate the first bite, was he away at the time and eve called adam to her side to take of the forbidden fruit.

2 Ne. 10: 24.
24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved.

the book of mormon states that adam and eve wouldve remained in a state of innocence.
however it is my opinion that because Adam is called a son of God the knowledge of righteousness wouldve (possibly) increased. Adam was created to live for eternity, i cant see Adam being in a state of innocence forever, even learning to become a God.
however, because of the fall, and His redemption of christ, he has become a god in his own kingdom, at least according to the LDS church.
let me see if i can find thescriptures.

delieriums child asked:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080818072045AAJUoVF&r=w#A4FOPkDFKHXU1Io2BSaP

If eve hadn't eaten the apple, what would've happened?
would we all be in the garden of eden? because then that would probably mean there'd be no england, europe or america because we would'nt have explored outside the boundaries of the garden, right?

i answered:
#
2 Ne. 2: 23
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

nothing is pure and undefiled, churches religion

2008-08-16T18:00:00.000-07:00

this religious section should be devoted to religion, no matter what type of religion is it.

violations should be considered as to who is giving the violation as well as to whom the reputation is of those that answers question and ask questions.

your question is obviously bringin up a serious point of contention between terms of service and the actions of unbelievers who are not even religious nor do they add to the religion section except to annoy and to flag violations of conduct.
There is a God, and this section should be regulated for those that believe in God and to those that ask honest question and give honest answers. it should not be dominionized by unbelievers whether they are guests or whehter they are employees of yahoo. the terms of service is so ambiguous that any employee that is an antichrist can dish out violations whether the answer is true or the question is just. despiste what unbeliever say when they flag a question or an answer
i am tired of guests and people who are not religious in teh beginning, having a controlling factor in this section.
ive seen too many people complain about violations that were true or believed to be true and yet get deleted because of trolls who practice unwanted actions in this section.
a good christian also! should not flag a question because it disagrees with their beliefs, if a true follower of jesus or mohammend flags a question or an answer because it disagrees with their paradeigm(?) i dont know how to spell it, then they shouldnt be online to ask question.

alternatively an answer that is true should not be flagged or violation given because it disagrees with a persons belief system, because no one knows the truth of all things and can be following lies and believe in false doctrine no matter what religion they belong to. NOTHING is pure and undefiled in the generation! NOTHING.

peer reveiw corruption and science of evolution rbuked

2008-08-16T17:23:00.001-07:00

is not the science of evolution only a theory? than it is only an obvious mythology?
of course it is.!
science has been getting everything wrong for over a thousand years. there are groups of scientist that say one thing and another group that says they are wrong.
if there is a proof that there is a God , than that proof is found in the testimony of prophets, but despite what the prophets say, THEY get it wrong too.
evolution science has much fraud in it. those that would reprove science are subject to peer reveiw without identification. this is a corruption in itself. any peer can reject ALL proof of science fraud just by saying its wrong without proof of their own, only their disbelief.
the proof o God exists, therefore evolution must wrong because the science of evolution does not allow a God to exist in the equation despite the claims of testimony.

the yahoo religious section Is
this is a religion section after all. NOT a Frag the believers forum or shoot the messenger of religious truth forum.

testimony and antitestimony how to reconcile ?

2008-08-15T00:14:00.000-07:00

From: oceanwoman78

Subject: Re: i never knew

Message: This info was big on my exit from the mormon church. Levels of heaven, spirit world,

celestial marriage...all from Swedenbourge.
Smith had a TON of borrowed information.

you said: Subject: Re: i never knew

Message: This info was big on my exit from the mormon church. Levels of heaven, spirit world,

celestial marriage...all from Swedenbourge.
Smith had a TON of borrowed information.

I reply. it just gets more exciting everytime i listen to ex mormons. but despite what i am taught

among men, i still have my own witness of jesus and personal revelations which is a stronghold of

testimony. So, how do you think i should reconcile your testimony with my own?

12:11 AM 8/15/2008
i must also add that noone taught me my testimony.
is it possible that revelations are given despite not having a church.
i still cant get past the official joseph smith testimony Seeing Jesus and God the Father then getting

ordained by peter james and john and john the baptist.
I dont know any church that can claim such a testimony.
even an angel fulfills the verses in the book of revelation where an angel gives the everlasting

gospel to the inhabitants of the earth.
I myself had an appearance of an angel in my bedroom before i ever knew about the church, or any

church.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080815000125AALplf7&r=w

wicca, pennies from heaven, sorcery book burning poster

2008-08-13T05:07:00.000-07:00

pennies and dimes from heaven
i dreamed a dream when i was a child, it was the LORD or the spirit of
God, in my understanding, a promise was given to me that if i preached
the gospel I would always be provided for.
I would dig in the earth and find coins that i could use to feed me.

at the same time i have not as yet had to rely on that promise because
I have always had enough work to provide for myself, until now.
because of illnesses and torture, i find myself being unable to get
employment and now i cant even get temp jobs for labor. Something EVIL
always happens and circumstance dictate alternative paths.

however,! thats not the reason of this post.
tonight on c2c Jeani called in at the last half hour and she gave a
refreshing testimony of pennies from heaven. about her dead dad
deliver pennies and dimes.

On the one hand this a great spiritual story and testimony about dead
relatives making contact with with living mortals. Mortals cant always
know what is truth and what is fabrication. it sure is a feel good
testimony and i want to believe it. But as quickly as i edited this
statement out, i realized that children can be mislead so easily. its
like a tooth fairy leaving money at night and taking a tooth. i
dont want to think about fraud and forgery, but i have been subject to
the possibilities my entire life.
there were also added into jeanies testimony glimpses of false
doctrines and traditions that seem to be contrary to the gospel as well.
practicing witchcraft and majicks is forbidden in the bible, even the
very word homeoapathy is in the english version but that could a Kings
influence or a scribes transliteration as weLL. 2x anyway there are many people that practice wicca world wide and they
claim it is all for good, and that magic is nuetral. i have rarely
found through suffering experience that this is true.
there are a few wicca who testify that it is still witchcraft and can
lead a person into greater darkness, they too testify that it is not
All as good as can be said.

i will say this much, if i can be a worthy priest and much greater
witness for jesus christ and the gospel, i would ask Jesus to his face
, did he allow the practice of similar things like wicca? Did he teach
his apostles how to make poisons and antedotes in the form of the
craft of healing? is this very literal definition found in one of
jesus' parables about fasting and much prayer to get this kind of
knowledge, or does healing come from above? there are 2 forms of Peace
one which is elemental and one which comes from above.
Then i would not stop preaching and teaching the correct appraoch to
poisoners and wiccans alike.

however i think i am correct when i conclude that wicca is also just
as bad as black sorcery.
the example of burning books, (not for cencsorship), for repentance.
which was a public demonstration of what the apostles believed in. The
practicioners of various sorceries public announced their knowledge
andthen public denounced it by burning their Very expensive books.

it not only proves that sorceries and secret arts were practiced by
Jews, it proves that the same sins and traps and snares exist today,
because not all people repent, nor do they believe they should repent.

anyway i am rather long winded on this topic, this is what Jeanies
testimony led me to believe in. America is fully 1/3 evil in my
opinion and these secret combinations must either END or the people
must be destroyed by the Warning of God.

which ones will be destroyed ?
which ones will be spared?

audio clip of satan worship, art bell bishop manchester i think
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/0ArtBellClipSatan\
worship2.wma

book of mormon dramatized witchcraft sorcery likened unto wolves
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/00BomSorcerersfol\
lowpeoplelikewolveslookingforfood.WMA

bom dramatized clip cast out your sorcerers
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/0castoutyourScorc\
erersSaysMoroni.wma

drugrape caught on tape, wolves practicing criminal acts
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/0DrugRapeCaughton\
Tape2.wma
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/0policewatchaTape\
ofRape2melissawasdrugged.wma

robert testifies of rape drug public radio
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/01DrMikeRobertTes\
tifiesofRapeDrugs.wma

8 years ago i realized that drug rape is just another way of saying
witchcraft and sorcery. the church of satan, or the harlot of babylon
is described as a beast who uses sorceries to deceive the nations, men
believe this ability is from God. but i think they are deceived.

href="http://shared.live.com/7JHF3d%21zO6IB0SwJsRoWXg/images/transparent.gif">http://shared.live.com/7

JHF3d!zO6IB0SwJsRoWXg/images/transparent.gif

href="http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/burnyourbooksofsorcery.jpg">http:

//cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/burnyourbooksofsorcery.jpg
the

above link is a photo of a poster i made that connects several
verses together hinging on the topic of burning books in the 19
chapter of Acts verse 18-19.
the other verses are:
ch. 15:24
D&C 60:2,3,4 ( i think ) there might also be reference in D&C 63:7
john 5:27,29 (or is it ch.8)
3 nephi 9
Rev 18:4, 18, (23)
matthew 7:6
Luke ch12 and 23

incorrectwisdom and judgmental

2008-08-13T03:36:00.000-07:00

first of all, if this message was directed at ME, i have no clue that it is!
second of all such a statement recorded below, means you are not my freind, so that makes you a liar, calling it a polite apology does not escape you from such a judgement.
third, Jesus was THE WORD of GOD, and learned men rejected HIM as a blasphemer, a son of fornication, a prince of devils, and HE taught at least one doctrine that made most of his disciples LEAVE him and they never returned.

Fourth the testimony of joseph smith declares that the spirit can come and go as he wills. but not all spirits are of God and not all inspiration ends in correct doctrine or true judgment.

There is a God in heaven, I have seen Jesus the Christ therefore i am a witness, of his Glory and his visitation like a thief in the night. IF anyone denies the existence of God that testimony Alone disproves it

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To: davids_outcasts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:17:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [888] Re: Testimonies and Prophets
keep holding onto your grudges and negativity my friend, im sure its served you well so far. The spirit is not in you at these moments, and you know it with the attitude you portray, in this i am confident and have no need to debate such a thing with you. Good luck and god bless.
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i expect yahoo to violate this answer

2008-08-12T19:07:00.000-07:00

Did you ever have this happen?

Did you ever spend a lot of time here on Y Answers trying to write a good answer for someone just to find out when you submit it that they are TAKING A BREATHER! It just happened to me.

Your Answer:

i tried to answer the same question 4or5or6times and got the same question that yahoo is taking a breather! i asked the same question and found another person asking the same question also.
in between time, while Yahoo was SUPPOSEDLY taking a breather I answered at least 5 other questions.
and at the same time i received an answer to my question which says Yahoo is subjectively censoring peoples' answers.

i honestly believe yahoo management is mostly antichrist but that is my own opinion from circumstantial evidence oh wait! maybe antichrist people work for yahoo. yeah, thats it.

Kolob yahoo R&S

2008-08-10T03:56:00.000-07:00

tiffany asked this:

Mormons. if N.A.S.A ever launches a mission to KOLOB, will you hitch a ride to go visit God and Joe Smith

hiroshim. note...I said IF...NASA...I would assume they would know where it was before they launched.
note. I hope YOU remember this email. when you find you are WRONG you will be ashamed

i replied:
LOL

NOooooooooo
this is like the immortal and live forever question.

if i could take a pill and become immediately immortal would i? NO because the state of immortality that any pill could give is still a mortal existence.
God gives us death and the resurrection so we can leave this mortal existence and if we are worthy we can gain the greatest of all the resurrection bodies.

a similiar question is also given for space travel and exploration. The spirit might be able to go to kolob with just a thought. the resurrected body might have the same gifts and talents given or earned.
just a few years in this life and as long as we are not reincarnated, we can see and know everything. but before I visit Kolob, i can Ask in prayer and learn remote veiwing, or visit the Achoshic files. there are other things that can be done besides leaving earth.

as for Jesus and the city of zion, the former city of enoch, it is much closer by and many people have testified of seeing that place, the flying city ( i call it) possibly even the same: New Jerusalem. the place where streets are paved with gold. where the resurrected and the translated live.
thussaiththelord said this:

Mormons. if you could hie to KOLOB; would you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob
http://www.timesandseasons.org/archives/000530.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHu_KYrOEE

i reply:

touche'

well done :)
Kolob is the place Near Where God dwells, but it is written God does not dwell there ! He dwells above the Heaven of heavens. ( something like that)
just a little while longer and i will go where God sends me. hopefully it will be a place like unto kolob.

Source(s):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKM8rK0hZ...

sleep paralysis

2008-08-10T03:10:00.000-07:00

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvIWsI2mPgnbuvd6inUoITbd7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20080810024934AAv

bayP
sleep paralysis caused by demons, fallen angels, or human drugs

Spiritual encounter , i think ????????
i woke last night , couldn't sleep for some reason ., just lying there in my bed i got the strangest

feeling , its was like something , some kinda force was pushing me back on the bed as i tried to get

up .. i tried to shout but was unable to . its was like this for about five minutes before it left

.anybody ever have an experience like this , . please help??

* 11 minutes ago
* - 3 days left to answer.
sparky asked the question

i replied:
yes
by the hundreds people call coast to coast and testify of their paranormal or unexplained

experiences.

it is called "sleep paralysis"

the interesting facts can lead one to believe it is a super demonic or satanic power that causes this

effect, be lucky you dont get your body beaten up as many have testified of being punched and bruised

and other things, like being raped or sodomized.

revelation of heaven

2008-08-05T19:06:00.001-07:00

in my opinion most people do not go to heaven
they go to a purgatory or a paradise which is lower degree of glory than Heaven.
in my opinion God exists above All heavens and only the sons of God are able to go there.
the lds church teaches that there are 3 heavens ( 3 degrees of glory) each degree has 3 levels in the resurrection. Until a person is resurrected They are limited to paradise or the city of zion, which might be New Jerusalem.
if there are 3 levels of separation in each degree of glory of the resurrection then that makes 9 levels of heaven glory.

Most people that are unbelievers are given the lowest 3 levels of the resurrection. it is sad to say also Most christians are found in the upper 2 levels of the bottom 3. Some do aquire the First level of the 2nd degree and they think it is heaven. Only the justified and sanctified seem to make it to the higher levels of the 2nd degree. and very few can make it to lower level of the third degree.

the definition of heaven is an ongoing Revelation for me.