ive had diahrea now for almost 4 weeks. and i dont have access to a real toilet except for the one at the gas station.
it takes about 20 min to get there and back.
i get the flu 2x a year. or i get sick regardless of what is going around.
i broke my back 3 times in my life, and the last time i kept rebreaking it whenever i try to work for money.
i should be dead several times over by pure conspiracy of poisoning.
ive already had one heart attack with a stroke where my eye went blind.
i woke up one day with a golf ball size tumor in my neck. most likely intentionally injected that night while i slept.
when i had the heart attack, i had previously woken up while someone was injecting a needle in my arm. go figure the coincidence of that, i was already drugged enough to black only after a litte resistance.
i woke up another time when i tied the door shut with a "rope" so it couldnt be opened and still someone managed to convince me to sleep walk over and try and open the door by pushing against it. while someone else injected another needle into my legg.
i had the bones in my feet broken 3 times. One of those times i was sleeping in my car with the doors also tied together with rope.
the other 2 times i was asleep in my bed, and supposedly the only one who had a key to the dead bolt on the door. i had needles injected into my ankles and knees. and i walk in continual pain, even when i do find temporary work. i woke up one day and found my ears were broken. like i had my eardrums exploded, and for 2 years i suffered deafness and blood and puss coming out of one of them.
when i had the cancer I loss 4 toe nails that peeled off like post it paper. and when they grew back one of them almost always grows back as an ingrown toe nail. while the other nails accumulated some mold or fungus infection and never grow normally
i have an eye that droops lower the other eye, people call it a "crazy mans' eye" when it is most probably caused by a stroke or one of the several other strokes i have had. i do wake up and half my brain is paralyzed
for more than 15 years now, when i lay down on a flat surface i get intense back muscle spasms. and just this week i had my foot crushed. sandwiched squeezed between a fork lift trying lift up a steel pipe when it actually pushed my foot against a wheel for a welding tank. it bruised and i was sent home from work the next day, where i might have lost 1/3 of my temporary work from this contractor alone.
do you have all these problems?
do you have people that are literally trying to murder you?
ive been tortured, tormented and terrorized by people for the last 30 years of my life. suffering sleep deprivation for literally 13 years. all because, probably because i am a "witness" for jesus christ.
its a spiritual war in this world. !
yes,
the history of the theory of evolution only began with Darwin and origins of the species.
crystal clear is the english word "create"
and God created man in His own image.
as a witness it is crystal clear, that I KNOW there is aGod. and angels.
but to an unsaved youth, who grew up in a government scientificallly controlled school system that cast out all reference to a christian God there is no suspicion that a God even exists.
not even a hint or a clue. unless there is still religion practiced at home, even then peer pressure is designed to lead unlearned youth astray.
piltdown man proves that science and archeologists, among other frauds, are inventing a false reality, that is worse than the fairy tale Atheists accuse christians of believing in.
Saturday, June 11, 2011
Saturday, February 12, 2011
Alex Jones Tv (HD) Gun Control Rant of 2009!!!
this is a youtube video about banning guns in America. its a 2nd ammendment violation
everyone
bush is a nazi and both Obama and Hilary are Marxists.
doesnt this mean anything to anyone
Thursday, January 6, 2011
a yahoo question about Tv shows
Do You Watch any of these TV SHOWS?
human target
hells kitchen
dr. phil
oprah
judge judy
dancing with the stars
wwe raw
american idol
the view
16 & pregnant
o'reilly factor
i dont watch any of them,
i dont have access to a tv.
i did watch Oreily once upon time. but i see him for what i think he is. a Shrill
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shrill
ever since i learned about Cronkite being a World Government adherent,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd2M4S5D1uc&feature=related#
i realized a truth, that most people in top positions, specfically in media, have been propaganda outlets. since Cronkite was called the truth of the nation, and yet he was a liar underneath it all, it proves to me that its all a HUGE scam.
its all a lie.
after listening to Alex jones describe what hollywood does with all its movies for propaganda and brainwashing i realized how brainwashed and controlled this country REALLY is.
so, though i loved TV, i hate what i see it becoming. and i dont watch any of these shows,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbBOnopr4iM
everything is fundamentally Wrong/ Lloyd Pie
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.office.live.com/self.aspx/2Godsproductions/LoydPie32EverythingISfundamentalyWrong.wma
p.s. even when i did have a TV, i didnt watch WWE RAW, or american idol or Oprah, or dancing with stars,
human target
hells kitchen
dr. phil
oprah
judge judy
dancing with the stars
wwe raw
american idol
the view
16 & pregnant
o'reilly factor
i dont watch any of them,
i dont have access to a tv.
i did watch Oreily once upon time. but i see him for what i think he is. a Shrill
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shrill
ever since i learned about Cronkite being a World Government adherent,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd2M4S5D1uc&feature=related#
i realized a truth, that most people in top positions, specfically in media, have been propaganda outlets. since Cronkite was called the truth of the nation, and yet he was a liar underneath it all, it proves to me that its all a HUGE scam.
its all a lie.
after listening to Alex jones describe what hollywood does with all its movies for propaganda and brainwashing i realized how brainwashed and controlled this country REALLY is.
so, though i loved TV, i hate what i see it becoming. and i dont watch any of these shows,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbBOnopr4iM
everything is fundamentally Wrong/ Lloyd Pie
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.office.live.com/self.aspx/2Godsproductions/LoydPie32EverythingISfundamentalyWrong.wma
p.s. even when i did have a TV, i didnt watch WWE RAW, or american idol or Oprah, or dancing with stars,
Thursday, December 23, 2010
Let them Call the witch-hunts "profane" and the victims were people
The Book of Mormon is very specific about stories a prophets that were burned the stakes. the powerful political leaders were antichrists, their abuse of power was among the greatest of evils.
........................................................................................................................................
a great story of the Book of mormon describes the wickedness of men who abuse their power because of unrighteousness.
8And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be acast into the fire; and they also brought forth their records which contained the holy scriptures, and cast them into the fire also, that they might be bburned and destroyed by fire.
9And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of amartyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire.
10And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the apower of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.
11But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in aglory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the bjudgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the cblood of the dinnocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.
12Now Amulek said unto Alma: Behold, perhaps they will burn us also.
13And Alma said: Be it according to the will of the Lord. But, behold, our work is not finished; therefore they burn us not.
14Now it came to pass that when the bodies of those who had been cast into the fire were consumed, and also the records which were cast in with them, the chief judge of the land came and stood before Alma and Amulek, as they were bound; and he smote them with his hand upon their acheeks, and said unto them: After what ye have seen, will ye preach again unto this people, that they shall be cast into a blake of fire and brimstone?
15Behold, ye see that ye had not power to save those who had been cast into the fire; neither has God saved them because they were of thy faith. And the judge smote them again upon their cheeks, and asked: What say ye for yourselves?
16Now this judge was after the order and faith of aNehor, who slew Gideon.
17And it came to pass that Alma and Amulek answered him anothing; and he smote them again, and delivered them to the officers to be bcast into prison.
18And when they had been cast into prison three days, there came many alawyers, and judges, and priests, and teachers, who were of the profession of Nehor; and they came in unto the prison to see them, and they questioned them about many words; but they answered them nothing.
19And it came to pass that the judge stood before them, and said: Why do ye not answer the words of this people? Know ye not that I have apower to deliver you up unto the flames? And he bcommanded them to speak; but they answered nothing.
20And it came to pass that they departed and went their ways, but came again on the morrow; and the judge also smote them again on their cheeks. And many came forth also, and smote them, saying: Will ye stand again and judge this people, and condemn our law? If ye have such great power why do ye not adeliver yourselves?
21And many such things did they say unto them, gnashing their teeth upon them, and spitting upon them, and saying: How shall we look when we are damned?
22And many such things, yea, all manner of such things did they say unto them; and thus they did amock them for many days. And they did withhold food from them that they might hunger, and water that they might thirst; and they also did take from them their clothes that they were naked; and thus they were bbound with strong cords, and confined in cprison.
23And it came to pass after they had thus suffered for many days, (and it was on the twelfth day, in the tenth month, in the tenth year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi) that the chief judge over the land of aAmmonihah and many of their teachers and their lawyers went in unto the prison where Alma and Amulek were bound with cords.
24And the chief judge stood before them, and smote them again, and said unto them: If ye have the apower of God deliver yourselves from these bands, and then we will believe that the Lord will destroy this people according to your words.
25And it came to pass that they all went forth and smote them, saying the same words, even until the last; and when the last had spoken unto them the apower of God was upon Alma and Amulek, and they rose and stood upon their feet.
26And Alma cried, saying: How long shall we suffer these great aafflictions, O Lord? O Lord, bgive us strength according to our faith which is in Christ, even unto cdeliverance. And they broke the cords with which they were bound; and when the people saw this, they began to flee, for the fear of destruction had come upon them.
27And it came to pass that so great was their fear that they fell to the earth, and did not obtain the outer door of the aprison; and the earth shook mightily, and the walls of the prison were rent in twain, so that they fell to the earth; and the chief judge, and the lawyers, and priests, and teachers, who smote upon Alma and Amulek, were slain by the fall thereof.
28And Alma and Amulek came forth out of the prison, and they were not hurt; for the Lord had granted unto them apower, according to their faith which was in Christ. And they straightway came forth out of the prison; and they were bloosed from their cbands; and the prison had fallen to the earth, and every soul within the walls thereof, save it were Alma and Amulek, was slain; and they straightway came forth into the city.
29Now the people having heard a great noise came running together by multitudes to know the cause of it; and when they saw Alma and Amulek coming forth out of the prison, and the walls thereof had fallen to the earth, they were struck with great fear, and fled from the presence of Alma and Amulek even as a goat fleeth with her young from two lions; and thus they did flee from the presence of Alma and Amulek.
...............................................................................................................................................
the stories do not end there,
the salem witch trials began with the earnest desire to keep the commandments of God, when it was found that 3 girls were caught with a book of witchcraft. the girls themselves turned the guiltiness from their own heads, to the allegations of innocent people who were killed in other profane ways.
Clearly these recent historical events were what the founding Fathers of U.S. were thinking of when they created Amendment 8, and denied excessive Bail, or cruel and unusual punishment.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
clearly the Catholic church had a history of this kind of abuse of power, and also historicallly the Nazi Regime of Germany did similar things against the Jews, and also in every part of history, abuses of men by Government and Wicked Men have risen in every society where Atheism and satanism has flourished. in many instances the Lust for blood has turned into cannibalism as religious rituals.
None of these things should be done.
For if it be the will of God, He will Judge the world and the people therein.
.............................................................................................................................................
3 Nephi 9:10
And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.
Doctrine and Covenants 63:
17Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the fearful, and the unbelieving, and all liars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the whoremonger, and the sorcerer, shall have their part in that lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
18Verily I say, that they shall not have part in the first resurrection.
19And now behold, I, the Lord, say unto you that ye are not justified, because these things are among you.
................................................................................................................................................
wickedness and abominations and sorceries and witchcrafts, priestcrafts, and secret combinations are the buzz-words of a people that are MORE wicked than others.
The book of mormon and D&C do allow the use of Herbs with "prudence" but the bible condemns the use of Homeopathy. while, at the same time, describing God giving commandment to gather ingredients to create a medicine that cures a poison of the land. So, there is something to be said for having medicines. which are allowed, and something to be said for creating poisons that are not allowed.
Some medicines are the same thing as poison. Most drugs and pharmecuticals will Kill a person by simply causing Organ failure. i am told that ALL drugs cause psychosis. through Eugenics, wicked men are waging war against honest people. these sciences might just as well be called witchcraft and sorcery, there are definitely secret combinations behind the deeds of men and government. these things can be called sorceries because of mind control and because of poison. Simply put, 100 thousand people die each year because of pharmecuticals, some statistics say as many as 300 thousand a year. And yet the Government spends trillions of dollars in a war against terrorism for the sake of a couple thousand dead civilians and ignore the minimum of 28 thousand dead at the South borders of texas and arizona. The government is becoming what the Other types of societies have already been described. The patriot act, was written by such wicked men that are similar to Nazi Germany, which laws destroy freedom and liberty and make patriots and christians, alike with jews, to be enemies of the state. Such laws PROVE that american politicians are the same as Nazi Germany.
unless men repent, it will be God that judges the political witchcrafts and the people of america. and whereever Atheism and tyrannical dictatorships are found.
Can WE THE PEOPLE repent of our ways? can we turn away from our sins and forsake evil? can evil men Stop what they are doing, or will it be said in our generation, the same thing that was said in the land when God destroyed everyone except the More righteous. ? !
3 Nephi 7:7
And they did cause a great contention in the land, insomuch that the more righteous part of the people had nearly all become wicked; yea, there were but few righteous men among them.
3 Nephi 9:13
O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you?
yahoo R&S
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101223075458AAh3DLt
The Book of Mormon is very specific about stories a prophets that were burned the stakes. the powerful political leaders were antichrists, their abuse of power was among the greatest of evils.
........................................................................................................................................
a great story of the Book of mormon describes the wickedness of men who abuse their power because of unrighteousness.
8And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be acast into the fire; and they also brought forth their records which contained the holy scriptures, and cast them into the fire also, that they might be bburned and destroyed by fire.
9And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of amartyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire.
10And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the apower of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.
11But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in aglory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the bjudgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the cblood of the dinnocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.
12Now Amulek said unto Alma: Behold, perhaps they will burn us also.
13And Alma said: Be it according to the will of the Lord. But, behold, our work is not finished; therefore they burn us not.
14Now it came to pass that when the bodies of those who had been cast into the fire were consumed, and also the records which were cast in with them, the chief judge of the land came and stood before Alma and Amulek, as they were bound; and he smote them with his hand upon their acheeks, and said unto them: After what ye have seen, will ye preach again unto this people, that they shall be cast into a blake of fire and brimstone?
15Behold, ye see that ye had not power to save those who had been cast into the fire; neither has God saved them because they were of thy faith. And the judge smote them again upon their cheeks, and asked: What say ye for yourselves?
16Now this judge was after the order and faith of aNehor, who slew Gideon.
17And it came to pass that Alma and Amulek answered him anothing; and he smote them again, and delivered them to the officers to be bcast into prison.
18And when they had been cast into prison three days, there came many alawyers, and judges, and priests, and teachers, who were of the profession of Nehor; and they came in unto the prison to see them, and they questioned them about many words; but they answered them nothing.
19And it came to pass that the judge stood before them, and said: Why do ye not answer the words of this people? Know ye not that I have apower to deliver you up unto the flames? And he bcommanded them to speak; but they answered nothing.
20And it came to pass that they departed and went their ways, but came again on the morrow; and the judge also smote them again on their cheeks. And many came forth also, and smote them, saying: Will ye stand again and judge this people, and condemn our law? If ye have such great power why do ye not adeliver yourselves?
21And many such things did they say unto them, gnashing their teeth upon them, and spitting upon them, and saying: How shall we look when we are damned?
22And many such things, yea, all manner of such things did they say unto them; and thus they did amock them for many days. And they did withhold food from them that they might hunger, and water that they might thirst; and they also did take from them their clothes that they were naked; and thus they were bbound with strong cords, and confined in cprison.
23And it came to pass after they had thus suffered for many days, (and it was on the twelfth day, in the tenth month, in the tenth year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi) that the chief judge over the land of aAmmonihah and many of their teachers and their lawyers went in unto the prison where Alma and Amulek were bound with cords.
24And the chief judge stood before them, and smote them again, and said unto them: If ye have the apower of God deliver yourselves from these bands, and then we will believe that the Lord will destroy this people according to your words.
25And it came to pass that they all went forth and smote them, saying the same words, even until the last; and when the last had spoken unto them the apower of God was upon Alma and Amulek, and they rose and stood upon their feet.
26And Alma cried, saying: How long shall we suffer these great aafflictions, O Lord? O Lord, bgive us strength according to our faith which is in Christ, even unto cdeliverance. And they broke the cords with which they were bound; and when the people saw this, they began to flee, for the fear of destruction had come upon them.
27And it came to pass that so great was their fear that they fell to the earth, and did not obtain the outer door of the aprison; and the earth shook mightily, and the walls of the prison were rent in twain, so that they fell to the earth; and the chief judge, and the lawyers, and priests, and teachers, who smote upon Alma and Amulek, were slain by the fall thereof.
28And Alma and Amulek came forth out of the prison, and they were not hurt; for the Lord had granted unto them apower, according to their faith which was in Christ. And they straightway came forth out of the prison; and they were bloosed from their cbands; and the prison had fallen to the earth, and every soul within the walls thereof, save it were Alma and Amulek, was slain; and they straightway came forth into the city.
29Now the people having heard a great noise came running together by multitudes to know the cause of it; and when they saw Alma and Amulek coming forth out of the prison, and the walls thereof had fallen to the earth, they were struck with great fear, and fled from the presence of Alma and Amulek even as a goat fleeth with her young from two lions; and thus they did flee from the presence of Alma and Amulek.
...............................................................................................................................................
the stories do not end there,
the salem witch trials began with the earnest desire to keep the commandments of God, when it was found that 3 girls were caught with a book of witchcraft. the girls themselves turned the guiltiness from their own heads, to the allegations of innocent people who were killed in other profane ways.
Clearly these recent historical events were what the founding Fathers of U.S. were thinking of when they created Amendment 8, and denied excessive Bail, or cruel and unusual punishment.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
clearly the Catholic church had a history of this kind of abuse of power, and also historicallly the Nazi Regime of Germany did similar things against the Jews, and also in every part of history, abuses of men by Government and Wicked Men have risen in every society where Atheism and satanism has flourished. in many instances the Lust for blood has turned into cannibalism as religious rituals.
None of these things should be done.
For if it be the will of God, He will Judge the world and the people therein.
.............................................................................................................................................
3 Nephi 9:10
And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.
Doctrine and Covenants 63:
17Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the fearful, and the unbelieving, and all liars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the whoremonger, and the sorcerer, shall have their part in that lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
18Verily I say, that they shall not have part in the first resurrection.
19And now behold, I, the Lord, say unto you that ye are not justified, because these things are among you.
................................................................................................................................................
wickedness and abominations and sorceries and witchcrafts, priestcrafts, and secret combinations are the buzz-words of a people that are MORE wicked than others.
The book of mormon and D&C do allow the use of Herbs with "prudence" but the bible condemns the use of Homeopathy. while, at the same time, describing God giving commandment to gather ingredients to create a medicine that cures a poison of the land. So, there is something to be said for having medicines. which are allowed, and something to be said for creating poisons that are not allowed.
Some medicines are the same thing as poison. Most drugs and pharmecuticals will Kill a person by simply causing Organ failure. i am told that ALL drugs cause psychosis. through Eugenics, wicked men are waging war against honest people. these sciences might just as well be called witchcraft and sorcery, there are definitely secret combinations behind the deeds of men and government. these things can be called sorceries because of mind control and because of poison. Simply put, 100 thousand people die each year because of pharmecuticals, some statistics say as many as 300 thousand a year. And yet the Government spends trillions of dollars in a war against terrorism for the sake of a couple thousand dead civilians and ignore the minimum of 28 thousand dead at the South borders of texas and arizona. The government is becoming what the Other types of societies have already been described. The patriot act, was written by such wicked men that are similar to Nazi Germany, which laws destroy freedom and liberty and make patriots and christians, alike with jews, to be enemies of the state. Such laws PROVE that american politicians are the same as Nazi Germany.
unless men repent, it will be God that judges the political witchcrafts and the people of america. and whereever Atheism and tyrannical dictatorships are found.
Can WE THE PEOPLE repent of our ways? can we turn away from our sins and forsake evil? can evil men Stop what they are doing, or will it be said in our generation, the same thing that was said in the land when God destroyed everyone except the More righteous. ? !
3 Nephi 7:7
And they did cause a great contention in the land, insomuch that the more righteous part of the people had nearly all become wicked; yea, there were but few righteous men among them.
3 Nephi 9:13
O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you?
yahoo R&S
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101223075458AAh3DLt
Saturday, October 16, 2010
all presidents since Kennedy are murderers
the scriptures say, that those who shed innocent blood are murderers.
after watching Alex Jones terror storm, i learned a valueable history Lesson, which cannot be denied. 5 epoch false flag Conspiracies were enacted and described in as few as 16 minutes of the beginning of the video.
if these allegation are true, War crimes, indictments and prosecution MUST be implemented against all living presidents or Justice is DEAD. including Obamma. and Bush Sr. and Bush jr.
after watching Alex Jones terror storm, i learned a valueable history Lesson, which cannot be denied. 5 epoch false flag Conspiracies were enacted and described in as few as 16 minutes of the beginning of the video.
if these allegation are true, War crimes, indictments and prosecution MUST be implemented against all living presidents or Justice is DEAD. including Obamma. and Bush Sr. and Bush jr.
Monday, May 10, 2010
MOVIE - Fallen
Find A Movie
link to movie fallen
i rented this movie, and found it entertaining as a variable theology.
its four hours long, so dont think you can rent this and view on a casual night.
its worth watching to me, for a couple of reasons.
i mentioned this on Q&A R&S as an alternate theology theory how, sons of God and saviours might be born.
however, on Yahoo, when i wrote what i did, i didnt realize that this Redeemer was a half breed Nephelim.
in this movie the Angels consider all nephelim as bastards.
of course, in the book of genesis, Nephelim were taught to be GIANTs born of fallen angels and mortal women.
however, in LDS theology, i found a statement ONCE about how this contemporary story could be vain imagination.
or something that has been distorted from what it really meant.
link to movie fallen
i rented this movie, and found it entertaining as a variable theology.
its four hours long, so dont think you can rent this and view on a casual night.
its worth watching to me, for a couple of reasons.
i mentioned this on Q&A R&S as an alternate theology theory how, sons of God and saviours might be born.
however, on Yahoo, when i wrote what i did, i didnt realize that this Redeemer was a half breed Nephelim.
in this movie the Angels consider all nephelim as bastards.
of course, in the book of genesis, Nephelim were taught to be GIANTs born of fallen angels and mortal women.
however, in LDS theology, i found a statement ONCE about how this contemporary story could be vain imagination.
or something that has been distorted from what it really meant.
Wednesday, March 31, 2010
jesus rebuked Peter calling him SATAN
Jesus also said upon this Rock will i build the kingdom and the gates of hell shall not prevail
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Did jesus found the catholic church...i have a bible verse?
ok. so FIRST off, jesus chose 12 apostles, and peter as the 'head'
person he told him in Matthew 16:18 - 19: "and so i say to you, you are
Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church, and the gates of the
netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to
the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
so the 12 apostles were suppose to spread the word of God and they
needed more people to do that too, so they appointed bishops and
priests....well. the catholic church has popes and the first one was
peter and through matthew 16:18-19 with jesus saying MY church and
giving peter the keys to his kingdom...shouldn't it be said that Jesus
founded the catholic church. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! listen.
CATHOLIC is just a name....a WORD. JUST because it isn't IN the Bible
doesn't mean it is not true. catholics gave names to the definitions
that didn't have a name to belong to it. btw purgatory isn't in the
bible BUT it is mentioned figuratively through many verses, catholics
just put a NAME to it.
Sorry for all the caps, but i wanted to get my point across. somewhere.
Please give answers that had some thought to it.
i dont think the catholic church was EVEN begun with PETER.
in protestant bibles there are verses that are missing in the NiV
jesus turned to Peter and rebuked him: saying Satan you do not desire
what the will of God is.
Mark 8: 33
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he
rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not
the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
that said: if there is a remote FACT that Peter did become the first
POPE, which i highly doubt, by the 8th and 9th the catholic church
defaulted on the commandment of God to Marry and made priests to become
Celibate. before those dates celibacy was not the RULE it was the
exception.
and if you dont accept this, there were two rivalrys between families
that practiced poisoning among themselve and 2 popes that were actually
excommunicated.
so the verses in Galatian 1:6-9 actually does pertain to the catholics
just as much as it does to protestants.
if Mark 8:33 is true, and Jesus turned to peter but was speaking to
satan! does this mean Peter was posessed
if he was literally rebuking Peter, it would also be symbolic of
rebuking the entire catholic church for following the Things That MEN
LOVE, more than the thigns of God.
to be fair, i have been taught that this verse 8:33 doesnt exist in
original documents.
but if it didnt "exist" in the first place it proves that scriptures
have been altered in the 2nd place.
somewhere in history Someone is lying and altering text. and did not
jesus say scriptures cannot be broken. ?
other people answered:
Catholicism is not Christian. Catholicism leads to eternal torment in
hell, because catholicism teaches works for salvation, and that is a
false gospel of works (Galatians 1:6-9) that is against JESUS'S free
gift of salvation!
And catholicism will not give you a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus,
which is what JESUS wants with you!
So, you need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in JESUS
for His free gift of salvation!
It's clear from the Book of Acts in the Bible that catholics didn't even
exist during the days of Acts. Catholicism didn't exist for over 300
years after Jesus. And catholicism didn't exist for over 200 years after
the Bible was complete and compiled. Those in the Book of Acts are the
first Christians, and they believed what would be called fundamentalist
doctrine today. ANYONE can read the Book of Acts for themselves and see.
Had catholicism existed during the time of Acts, the first Christians
would have rejected catholicism completely.
And there is no "pope" in the Bible. Every "pope" is a false prophet.
Also there's TONS of Christians who also completely rejected
catholicism, long before Martin Luther was even born. Catholicism
murdered millions and millions of Christians. :*(
So not only is it wrong for anyone to say that "catholics were the first
Christians", but this blows away the catholic claim that "no churches
existed other than the catholic church, until Martin Luther".
There were ALWAYS saved believers outside the catholic cult, who knew
catholicism cannot save anyone.
Catholicism cannot save. Only believing in Jesus for His free gift of
salvation, is what saves!
So, catholics need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in
JESUS for His free gift of salvation!
Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much! :D And the Trinity is
true!
The truth about Jesus is that the only way to be saved and to get into
heaven and avoid being sent to hell, is by believing in Jesus for His
free gift of salvation, believing in faith alone that Jesus, who is God,
died on the cross for all our sins as FULL PAYMENT for all our sins, and
then Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe in Jesus
for His free gift of salvation, and you will be in heaven, no matter
what!
Salvation is a FREE GIFT that happens in a split second when you believe
in Jesus alone to save you! It is impossible to lose or "leave"
salvation (John 6:39-40, John 10:28, 1 John 5:13).
Please pray now: "Jesus, I believe that You died on the cross to pay for
my sins and that You rose from the dead, and I thank You for eternal
life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die! :D
14 minutes ago
No. Catholicism is false. The rock is Jesus.
Catholicism isn't Christian. They worship the pope when they should be
worshiping Jesus, man made rules, teach works for salvation, added books
to the Bible, worship statues and loads of other idolatry. It can't
save. Only Jesus can. Please pray a sincere prayer with all of your
heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His
blood pays off all of your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life.
I pray that God blesses you with peace. Amen.
14 minutes ago
Yes check out John Martinogni at
http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php I think you will like his
stuff especially Which Came First, the Church or the Bible? at
http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/download
13 minutes ago
The "Rock" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is the faith in Jesus
Christ as Lord and Savior. It is not Peter himself but rather what peter
believed about Jesus that was the rock Jesus described.
I'm sorry you are confused. But I hope you figure it out soon.
12 minutes ago
no, the Rock is Jesus. The Church is not built on the apostles, but
Jesus.
Jesus also called Peter "Satan".
The word "catholic" meant universal. Ironically, the Catholic church was
the first non denominational fellowship. These days it is the most
denominational.
11 minutes ago
no, it was founded by the roman empire more than 300 years after Jesus
death.
It would be like a government in the year 2310 starting a religion based
on the life of Barack Obama and claiming that he was the one who started
the religion.
Apparently some historians see it as attempt to stop the roman empire
disintegrating.
10 minutes ago
Peter wasn't the ''lead'' apostle
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Petros)
, and upon this rock (petra)
I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against
it.
two different 'rocks'
you need to read about the history of the catholic church
9 minutes ago
Jesus never gave any authority to written Scripture but instead to His
Church who in turn wrote Scripture to be interpreted within His Church
under the authority given by Him. St. Paul confirms this authority of
the Church through apostolic succession when He instructed to hold fast
what was taught by Word (oral) and letter (written). The Church does not
have the authority to relinquish that which God has given regardless of
the burden of protecting the Church. The Scriptures promise that this
Church is the “bulwark and ground of the truth” and that promise will
forever remain true.
The Church was also given the authority to come to clearer understanding
of the truth in the living Church but such understanding should not take
away from the teaching of the apostles but illuminate it. The authority
given to the Church is great Jesus saying that the Church has the
authority to bind and loose and again the Church is powerless to
abdicate this divine responsibility. Some may say the Scriptures are
true because of the truth they reveal in prophetic testimony and I say
that the Church is true because of its testimony as an enduring Church
for 2000 years just as Christ promised. The only high court of appeal is
our founder, high priest and Savior Jesus the Christ who has never
failed His Church, this relationship no book can supplant for it is
through Him that the Church derives its holiness and its veracity and
its immortality.
One cannot deny that the foundation of all Christianity through His
Church is based on Christ’s words to St. Peter before the disciples.
There is no doubt from the construction vernacular that Jesus was
instructing them to build a Church with them as the foundation stones
and Himself as the cornerstone. He built no other Church as no other was
needed because the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic, Church derives its
perfection from Him through His promises. He prayed that we all be one
within this Church. He said this Church would endure until the Parousia.
He said of this Church that the gates of hell would not prevail against
it. He said that He would be with this Church until the end of time. The
Scriptures confirms these promises saying that this Church is the
“pillar and ground of the truth”. He did not plan for the Church to be
without leadership after the apostles died but provided that they choose
successors to replace them in the enduring Church. This is confirmed it
the book of Acts.
One can suggest that this Church is not the Church that Christ gave
these promises and authority to but who else can support a claim that
they are the true church represented by these promises if not the
Catholic church. Some will suggest that the true church is the Gnostics
or the Arians? Certainly remnants of those churches remain in modern
incarnations of these heresies but can one claim the enduring
characteristic promised by Christ? There is certainly no evidence that
anyone can make a legitimate claim to Christ’s promises other than the
Catholic Church. Some critics may claim that the reason that the
Catholic Church has endured is because of political connections, but the
truth is that it has endured because of the miracles of our Lord who
persuaded a Pagan emperor to stop his persecution of the Church and not
by some agreement of men. It is hard to persuade someone who is intent
on your annihilation. Only God could convict the heart of the Pagan
Emperor Constantine.
I would agree that there have always been those believers known to God
who will be saved and I agree but I do not agree that those people are
outside of His Church nor do I believe that it is possible for salvation
without His Church but that it is possible only through his Church,
Although I acknowledge, as does the Church, that this union may be
imperfect, as with our separated brethren with different degrees of the
fullness of truth which is perfected in His Church. All believers are
taught by God through His Church.
While St. Paul spoke about the great apostasy, is it possible that he
was speaking of the apostasy of the enduring Church that He created.
Would not that apostate element be more described in the churches
proceeding from the Reformation? Does the Bible not teach that we will
know them by their fruits? It does and what are the fruits of the
Reformation.
Reducing the Word of God to a book and confusing the truth with tens of
thousands of exponentially increasing schisms in the dilution of the
truth. Did not Christ pray that we all be one in His Church?
By forbidding the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ from
Protestant worship.
Reducing salvation to a one time assent to faith and then teaching
antinomianism.
Rejecting the authority Christ established.
These are just a few of the signs of a church in apostasy as represented
by the Protestant churches. Could there be a better example of decay and
perversion.
We can all agree as Christians that only God knows who are His faithful
but do not let us confuse the facts of His teaching that we are to be
one in the Church that He created. There is the Church that is gathered
around the Bishop as the early Church is described by St. Ignatius and
then there is the Church known only to God made up of those whose heart
is pure in their love and devotion to God. But regardless they all will
be saved by that which is promised to endure which is His Church. We can
only pray that he will be merciful to the apostate and that they find
the truth before it is too late.
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
6 minutes ago
What Jesus did not say, however, was that St. Peter's successors would
take his place as head of the church. And even if you believe they
would, there's no definitive way to state who Peter's successors would
be. There is no evidence in scripture that he was ever Bishop of Rome,
or that if he was that it would automatically imply that the next Bishop
of Rome would be his successor.
In fact, if you know your church history, the doctrine of Papal
Supremacy didn't arise for several hundred years. And when it did it
caused such a fuss that the official church of the day finally split
into what we now call "The Roman Catholic Church" and the "Eastern
Orthodox Church".
The verse you quote has been interpreted in many ways. By itself, I do
not think it can establish the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.
1 minute ago
sorry but the catholic church is in the bible
Many people argue that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by
Jesus Christ beginning with Peter and the Apostles. One argument often
made is that the phrase “Catholic Church” does not appear within the
pages of Scripture.
Aside from the fact that this argument is weak since the words “trinity”
and “Bible” are not contained in Holy Writ either, is it really true
that the Catholic Church is not named in the Bible? Well, take a look at
the following verse from the Acts of the Apostles, and decide for
yourself:
Acts 9:31 (Greek)
ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας
ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη
παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.
Act 9:31 (Transliteration)
aye men oon ekklaysiaye kath olays tays ioodayeas kaye galilayeas kaye
samarayas aycon ayraynayn oikodomoomenaye kaye poryoomenaye tow fobow
too kurioo kaye tay paraklaysay too agioo pnyoomatos eplaythunonto
(http://www.russ.org/gtb/luke.html#a9)
Acts 9:31
So the Church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and
was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of
the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.
From this text, we can see the Greek word “kath olays” which is rendered
“Catholic” in modern English and the word “ekklaysiaye” which becomes
“ecclesia” in English and is commonly translated as “church”.
εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης = ekklaysiaye kath olays = “the church throughout
all” = Catholic Church
Source(s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwK…
10 minutes ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwKnc
i believe Jesus was talking about Revelation, which is a different Rock to have a sure word of prophecy to build a foundation of a church.
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Did jesus found the catholic church...i have a bible verse?
ok. so FIRST off, jesus chose 12 apostles, and peter as the 'head'
person he told him in Matthew 16:18 - 19: "and so i say to you, you are
Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church, and the gates of the
netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to
the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
so the 12 apostles were suppose to spread the word of God and they
needed more people to do that too, so they appointed bishops and
priests....well. the catholic church has popes and the first one was
peter and through matthew 16:18-19 with jesus saying MY church and
giving peter the keys to his kingdom...shouldn't it be said that Jesus
founded the catholic church. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! listen.
CATHOLIC is just a name....a WORD. JUST because it isn't IN the Bible
doesn't mean it is not true. catholics gave names to the definitions
that didn't have a name to belong to it. btw purgatory isn't in the
bible BUT it is mentioned figuratively through many verses, catholics
just put a NAME to it.
Sorry for all the caps, but i wanted to get my point across. somewhere.
Please give answers that had some thought to it.
i dont think the catholic church was EVEN begun with PETER.
in protestant bibles there are verses that are missing in the NiV
jesus turned to Peter and rebuked him: saying Satan you do not desire
what the will of God is.
Mark 8: 33
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he
rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not
the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
that said: if there is a remote FACT that Peter did become the first
POPE, which i highly doubt, by the 8th and 9th the catholic church
defaulted on the commandment of God to Marry and made priests to become
Celibate. before those dates celibacy was not the RULE it was the
exception.
and if you dont accept this, there were two rivalrys between families
that practiced poisoning among themselve and 2 popes that were actually
excommunicated.
so the verses in Galatian 1:6-9 actually does pertain to the catholics
just as much as it does to protestants.
if Mark 8:33 is true, and Jesus turned to peter but was speaking to
satan! does this mean Peter was posessed
if he was literally rebuking Peter, it would also be symbolic of
rebuking the entire catholic church for following the Things That MEN
LOVE, more than the thigns of God.
to be fair, i have been taught that this verse 8:33 doesnt exist in
original documents.
but if it didnt "exist" in the first place it proves that scriptures
have been altered in the 2nd place.
somewhere in history Someone is lying and altering text. and did not
jesus say scriptures cannot be broken. ?
other people answered:
Catholicism is not Christian. Catholicism leads to eternal torment in
hell, because catholicism teaches works for salvation, and that is a
false gospel of works (Galatians 1:6-9) that is against JESUS'S free
gift of salvation!
And catholicism will not give you a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus,
which is what JESUS wants with you!
So, you need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in JESUS
for His free gift of salvation!
It's clear from the Book of Acts in the Bible that catholics didn't even
exist during the days of Acts. Catholicism didn't exist for over 300
years after Jesus. And catholicism didn't exist for over 200 years after
the Bible was complete and compiled. Those in the Book of Acts are the
first Christians, and they believed what would be called fundamentalist
doctrine today. ANYONE can read the Book of Acts for themselves and see.
Had catholicism existed during the time of Acts, the first Christians
would have rejected catholicism completely.
And there is no "pope" in the Bible. Every "pope" is a false prophet.
Also there's TONS of Christians who also completely rejected
catholicism, long before Martin Luther was even born. Catholicism
murdered millions and millions of Christians. :*(
So not only is it wrong for anyone to say that "catholics were the first
Christians", but this blows away the catholic claim that "no churches
existed other than the catholic church, until Martin Luther".
There were ALWAYS saved believers outside the catholic cult, who knew
catholicism cannot save anyone.
Catholicism cannot save. Only believing in Jesus for His free gift of
salvation, is what saves!
So, catholics need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in
JESUS for His free gift of salvation!
Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much! :D And the Trinity is
true!
The truth about Jesus is that the only way to be saved and to get into
heaven and avoid being sent to hell, is by believing in Jesus for His
free gift of salvation, believing in faith alone that Jesus, who is God,
died on the cross for all our sins as FULL PAYMENT for all our sins, and
then Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe in Jesus
for His free gift of salvation, and you will be in heaven, no matter
what!
Salvation is a FREE GIFT that happens in a split second when you believe
in Jesus alone to save you! It is impossible to lose or "leave"
salvation (John 6:39-40, John 10:28, 1 John 5:13).
Please pray now: "Jesus, I believe that You died on the cross to pay for
my sins and that You rose from the dead, and I thank You for eternal
life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die! :D
14 minutes ago
No. Catholicism is false. The rock is Jesus.
Catholicism isn't Christian. They worship the pope when they should be
worshiping Jesus, man made rules, teach works for salvation, added books
to the Bible, worship statues and loads of other idolatry. It can't
save. Only Jesus can. Please pray a sincere prayer with all of your
heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His
blood pays off all of your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life.
I pray that God blesses you with peace. Amen.
14 minutes ago
Yes check out John Martinogni at
http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php I think you will like his
stuff especially Which Came First, the Church or the Bible? at
http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/download
13 minutes ago
The "Rock" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is the faith in Jesus
Christ as Lord and Savior. It is not Peter himself but rather what peter
believed about Jesus that was the rock Jesus described.
I'm sorry you are confused. But I hope you figure it out soon.
12 minutes ago
no, the Rock is Jesus. The Church is not built on the apostles, but
Jesus.
Jesus also called Peter "Satan".
The word "catholic" meant universal. Ironically, the Catholic church was
the first non denominational fellowship. These days it is the most
denominational.
11 minutes ago
no, it was founded by the roman empire more than 300 years after Jesus
death.
It would be like a government in the year 2310 starting a religion based
on the life of Barack Obama and claiming that he was the one who started
the religion.
Apparently some historians see it as attempt to stop the roman empire
disintegrating.
10 minutes ago
Peter wasn't the ''lead'' apostle
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Petros)
, and upon this rock (petra)
I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against
it.
two different 'rocks'
you need to read about the history of the catholic church
9 minutes ago
Jesus never gave any authority to written Scripture but instead to His
Church who in turn wrote Scripture to be interpreted within His Church
under the authority given by Him. St. Paul confirms this authority of
the Church through apostolic succession when He instructed to hold fast
what was taught by Word (oral) and letter (written). The Church does not
have the authority to relinquish that which God has given regardless of
the burden of protecting the Church. The Scriptures promise that this
Church is the “bulwark and ground of the truth” and that promise will
forever remain true.
The Church was also given the authority to come to clearer understanding
of the truth in the living Church but such understanding should not take
away from the teaching of the apostles but illuminate it. The authority
given to the Church is great Jesus saying that the Church has the
authority to bind and loose and again the Church is powerless to
abdicate this divine responsibility. Some may say the Scriptures are
true because of the truth they reveal in prophetic testimony and I say
that the Church is true because of its testimony as an enduring Church
for 2000 years just as Christ promised. The only high court of appeal is
our founder, high priest and Savior Jesus the Christ who has never
failed His Church, this relationship no book can supplant for it is
through Him that the Church derives its holiness and its veracity and
its immortality.
One cannot deny that the foundation of all Christianity through His
Church is based on Christ’s words to St. Peter before the disciples.
There is no doubt from the construction vernacular that Jesus was
instructing them to build a Church with them as the foundation stones
and Himself as the cornerstone. He built no other Church as no other was
needed because the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic, Church derives its
perfection from Him through His promises. He prayed that we all be one
within this Church. He said this Church would endure until the Parousia.
He said of this Church that the gates of hell would not prevail against
it. He said that He would be with this Church until the end of time. The
Scriptures confirms these promises saying that this Church is the
“pillar and ground of the truth”. He did not plan for the Church to be
without leadership after the apostles died but provided that they choose
successors to replace them in the enduring Church. This is confirmed it
the book of Acts.
One can suggest that this Church is not the Church that Christ gave
these promises and authority to but who else can support a claim that
they are the true church represented by these promises if not the
Catholic church. Some will suggest that the true church is the Gnostics
or the Arians? Certainly remnants of those churches remain in modern
incarnations of these heresies but can one claim the enduring
characteristic promised by Christ? There is certainly no evidence that
anyone can make a legitimate claim to Christ’s promises other than the
Catholic Church. Some critics may claim that the reason that the
Catholic Church has endured is because of political connections, but the
truth is that it has endured because of the miracles of our Lord who
persuaded a Pagan emperor to stop his persecution of the Church and not
by some agreement of men. It is hard to persuade someone who is intent
on your annihilation. Only God could convict the heart of the Pagan
Emperor Constantine.
I would agree that there have always been those believers known to God
who will be saved and I agree but I do not agree that those people are
outside of His Church nor do I believe that it is possible for salvation
without His Church but that it is possible only through his Church,
Although I acknowledge, as does the Church, that this union may be
imperfect, as with our separated brethren with different degrees of the
fullness of truth which is perfected in His Church. All believers are
taught by God through His Church.
While St. Paul spoke about the great apostasy, is it possible that he
was speaking of the apostasy of the enduring Church that He created.
Would not that apostate element be more described in the churches
proceeding from the Reformation? Does the Bible not teach that we will
know them by their fruits? It does and what are the fruits of the
Reformation.
Reducing the Word of God to a book and confusing the truth with tens of
thousands of exponentially increasing schisms in the dilution of the
truth. Did not Christ pray that we all be one in His Church?
By forbidding the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ from
Protestant worship.
Reducing salvation to a one time assent to faith and then teaching
antinomianism.
Rejecting the authority Christ established.
These are just a few of the signs of a church in apostasy as represented
by the Protestant churches. Could there be a better example of decay and
perversion.
We can all agree as Christians that only God knows who are His faithful
but do not let us confuse the facts of His teaching that we are to be
one in the Church that He created. There is the Church that is gathered
around the Bishop as the early Church is described by St. Ignatius and
then there is the Church known only to God made up of those whose heart
is pure in their love and devotion to God. But regardless they all will
be saved by that which is promised to endure which is His Church. We can
only pray that he will be merciful to the apostate and that they find
the truth before it is too late.
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
6 minutes ago
What Jesus did not say, however, was that St. Peter's successors would
take his place as head of the church. And even if you believe they
would, there's no definitive way to state who Peter's successors would
be. There is no evidence in scripture that he was ever Bishop of Rome,
or that if he was that it would automatically imply that the next Bishop
of Rome would be his successor.
In fact, if you know your church history, the doctrine of Papal
Supremacy didn't arise for several hundred years. And when it did it
caused such a fuss that the official church of the day finally split
into what we now call "The Roman Catholic Church" and the "Eastern
Orthodox Church".
The verse you quote has been interpreted in many ways. By itself, I do
not think it can establish the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.
1 minute ago
sorry but the catholic church is in the bible
Many people argue that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by
Jesus Christ beginning with Peter and the Apostles. One argument often
made is that the phrase “Catholic Church” does not appear within the
pages of Scripture.
Aside from the fact that this argument is weak since the words “trinity”
and “Bible” are not contained in Holy Writ either, is it really true
that the Catholic Church is not named in the Bible? Well, take a look at
the following verse from the Acts of the Apostles, and decide for
yourself:
Acts 9:31 (Greek)
ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας
ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη
παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.
Act 9:31 (Transliteration)
aye men oon ekklaysiaye kath olays tays ioodayeas kaye galilayeas kaye
samarayas aycon ayraynayn oikodomoomenaye kaye poryoomenaye tow fobow
too kurioo kaye tay paraklaysay too agioo pnyoomatos eplaythunonto
(http://www.russ.org/gtb/luke.html#a9)
Acts 9:31
So the Church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and
was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of
the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.
From this text, we can see the Greek word “kath olays” which is rendered
“Catholic” in modern English and the word “ekklaysiaye” which becomes
“ecclesia” in English and is commonly translated as “church”.
εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης = ekklaysiaye kath olays = “the church throughout
all” = Catholic Church
Source(s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwK…
10 minutes ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwKnc
i believe Jesus was talking about Revelation, which is a different Rock to have a sure word of prophecy to build a foundation of a church.
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