Monday, September 21, 2009
lime disease and otehr symptoms from Flu Vacines
i will tell you this, if lime disease is part of side effects of the flu shots, listening today, to lenn horrowitz, its not a simple allegation-affidavidt.
not to mention the other diseases which the media seems to be naysaying.
i would tend to beleive horrowits, who is harvard trained. and dr Blaylock and a few other eve sherry tenpenny
this link for my skydrive audio files
comparing Niv Kjv
OMG check out this question on Yahoo Q&A R&S
when I saw this on my "myway" personal page, i just had to ask the question and post it.
could anything be more perfect to show that mankind has the ability to change scriptures, either the niv delets most of the verse or Kjv includes more words in Luke 4:8
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuirqWcG4swf4T8zPS6Fj5zd7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20090921102035AArB83E
when I saw this on my "myway" personal page, i just had to ask the question and post it.
could anything be more perfect to show that mankind has the ability to change scriptures, either the niv delets most of the verse or Kjv includes more words in Luke 4:8
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuirqWcG4swf4T8zPS6Fj5zd7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20090921102035AArB83E
Tuesday, September 8, 2009
charlie sheen is a fan of Alex Jones.
there are so many disinformation agents, on the internet, that claim Alex Jones is lying about alexs' claims that charlies himself has many questions about 9/11 lies and questionable information and facts.
i think charlie sheen appearing on infowars proves how wicked people are when it comes to lying and how disinformation and rumors and slander work.
i have significant skepticism about government roles and non-legitimate answers as well.
but no matter who is the faithful servants of truth, they are almost always mentally ill, and the enemies of God almost always shoot the person rather than hear the message.
even in the mayan/aztek world there are gods who villify Jesus as being mentally ill, like its not a new phenomena.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_on_alex_jones_show_challenges_media.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_questions_official_911_story.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_showbiz_sharon_stone.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_corp_media_ignore_challenge.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_journalist_censored_sheen_article.htm
i think charlie sheen appearing on infowars proves how wicked people are when it comes to lying and how disinformation and rumors and slander work.
i have significant skepticism about government roles and non-legitimate answers as well.
but no matter who is the faithful servants of truth, they are almost always mentally ill, and the enemies of God almost always shoot the person rather than hear the message.
even in the mayan/aztek world there are gods who villify Jesus as being mentally ill, like its not a new phenomena.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_on_alex_jones_show_challenges_media.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_questions_official_911_story.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_showbiz_sharon_stone.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_corp_media_ignore_challenge.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_journalist_censored_sheen_article.htm
Sunday, September 6, 2009
fornicationtestimonyQuestionbyJennifer
jennifer asked this question:
I have been going to different churches and having sex with all kinds of guys?
why is it that they act so goody in front of people but you should see some of the things they do while we are doing it and they jump in head first once i hint to them i am wanting it the pervert jumps right out and their values they claim to have disappear immediatly several are married and act like they dont even have a wife while we lay together
i reply:
i love this question! it should not be deleted, as a true testimony
p.s. the actual answer however is not to good.
meaning you KNOW how evil and wicked people can be, because you see it first hand. lies and hypocrisy are truly what jesus preached against, when he said: "do wwhat they say, not what they do"!
but it saddens me to hear this testimony as well, it admits to the corruption in the churches that is not uncommon among all chruches and nations and religions.
p.s.s, if my mother had not been excommunicated from the catholic church for having had sex without marriage she might have continued with some faith in our family heritage and church traditions, which might have put me in jeopardy as being exactly ONE of these who would have gloried in having sex with you but at the same time continued to keep up images in the church. of course who knows i might have confessed to the priest as well and repented later on when or if I had come to the convictions of the spirit and the preaching of righteousness. this is however what happened to me without religious indoctrination anyway. without or with the teachings of the bible i had faith and rpented, backslid and repented again, and backslid and repented again.
I never have had sex since 1980, to clarify things, because i believed in submitting to the will of the commandments. of God.
however i confess, this doesnt meant i have not been without my faith in repentance and my biological temptations and lusts and coming to a vision of christ for wanting to truly forsake these lusts.
and the sins and consequences of them.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090906090425AAjN5jA&r=w#A4FOPkDFKHXU1Io2BSaP
p.s.s
part of exposing evil, is "shouting from the rooftops" but also part of forgiveness is Love and covering up a multitude of sins.
both quotes in the bible, btw
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/HQ25BRINGtoLIGHTallHiddentthingsofDARKNESS.jpg
d&c 123:13, 9-10; 11-14; Jacob 2:10 (BoM)
I have been going to different churches and having sex with all kinds of guys?
why is it that they act so goody in front of people but you should see some of the things they do while we are doing it and they jump in head first once i hint to them i am wanting it the pervert jumps right out and their values they claim to have disappear immediatly several are married and act like they dont even have a wife while we lay together
i reply:
i love this question! it should not be deleted, as a true testimony
p.s. the actual answer however is not to good.
meaning you KNOW how evil and wicked people can be, because you see it first hand. lies and hypocrisy are truly what jesus preached against, when he said: "do wwhat they say, not what they do"!
but it saddens me to hear this testimony as well, it admits to the corruption in the churches that is not uncommon among all chruches and nations and religions.
p.s.s, if my mother had not been excommunicated from the catholic church for having had sex without marriage she might have continued with some faith in our family heritage and church traditions, which might have put me in jeopardy as being exactly ONE of these who would have gloried in having sex with you but at the same time continued to keep up images in the church. of course who knows i might have confessed to the priest as well and repented later on when or if I had come to the convictions of the spirit and the preaching of righteousness. this is however what happened to me without religious indoctrination anyway. without or with the teachings of the bible i had faith and rpented, backslid and repented again, and backslid and repented again.
I never have had sex since 1980, to clarify things, because i believed in submitting to the will of the commandments. of God.
however i confess, this doesnt meant i have not been without my faith in repentance and my biological temptations and lusts and coming to a vision of christ for wanting to truly forsake these lusts.
and the sins and consequences of them.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090906090425AAjN5jA&r=w#A4FOPkDFKHXU1Io2BSaP
p.s.s
part of exposing evil, is "shouting from the rooftops" but also part of forgiveness is Love and covering up a multitude of sins.
both quotes in the bible, btw
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/HQ25BRINGtoLIGHTallHiddentthingsofDARKNESS.jpg
d&c 123:13, 9-10; 11-14; Jacob 2:10 (BoM)
drugged and raped, dream interpretation shagedelic yahooquestion
shagedelic asked this:
I had a dream, can anyone tell me what it means? Christians only?
I had this weird dream. In it I saw myself walking into the bathroom. When I got into the bathroom, a turned and looked in the bath tub. When I looked at the bathtub I noticed a huge spider coming out of the drain of the bathtub. The spider was the size of an averaged-sized lizard. When it crawled out of the bathtub the dream scene switched to me and my buddy conspiring to kill the spider. But I chose not too kill the spider. The scene switched again and I noticed that I was alone with the spider which had by now climbed into my bed and went under the cover. Without thinking I went over to the bed to see where it went. Before I knew it I was standing next to the bed getting ready to get under the cover. As I see myself entering the bed the dream ends..
What does it mean?
I know it is significant because there is a certain feeling I have when dreaming a significant dream.
i reply:
first of all there is a dream interpretation section.
2nd no single dream would have the same interpretations even with the experiences because there are at least 5 or 6 sources of where the dreams comes from. God would speak plainly in the "rare" times he would give a dream. most dreams are caused by sorceries NOT the spirit of God. sorcerers are liars and deceivers. almost never servants of righteousness.
after that there are dreams of ministering spirits which can be fallen more than that of those sent by will of God. but most dreams from the ministering spirits of God and deceased relatives seem to almost always be confusing and without true definition and a clear message.
dreams of mortal men who practice witchcrafts and sorceries and mind control are almost always lies and deception which are NOT the mind of God and do use the persons' imagination to manipulate images that a person sees.
there is absolutely NO doubt of these conclusions.!!
i myself have caught my own imagination creating images that the sorcerers who had control over me, becomes something they did not intend therefore i knew their deceits were a false dream when i woke up.
i have literally dreamed of bug landing on my finger as the person himself was warning me of the "sting" and as i felt the pain, i shook my hand to get away from, as i woke up and looked at my hand i saw a metal sliver as though it were a broken "needle" still inbedded therein. as I was to tired to take it out, i chose to go back to sleep and take it out when i woke up again. when i woke up again the needle was GONE.
the spider could represent someone you might hate but you chose to show mercy and forgiveness on the creature. when the spider moved to your BED the symbology could easily mean Sexual frustration or sub conscience warnings of rape .
what ihave experienced is that most of the dream will keep your mind occupied while they lull you into a false sense of security and while your body is probably already experiencing an erection you mind is being distrated to think of other things. until you have the orgasm. when the images and ideas change from sex to other images of stimulation you are left to continue to think these thoughts while they leave and you naturally wake up or the drugs in your body are left with a time released action that will force you to wake up. hence when you wake up you are left alone to see no one is there.
Friday, September 4, 2009
pharmecutical sorcery or Power of God vs spirit
well?
let me list the things that christians say is a spirit feeling.
wonderful joy
peace in the mind, beyond describption
or
of the earth which is elemental, and pharmecutical
read the bible these things are listed there
now for mormons, it can be all these things
or a telepathic "presence of the holy spirit" see the book a marvelous work and wonder by Talmage
also there is something called the "burning in the bosom"
which i can only say i have felt once,
the presense of the spirit and the spirit of revelation is something else entirely.
ONCE among all my poisons both from members and satanists and wolf packs, I sat in the bishops chair and the drug induced mental torture/torment stopped "instantly".
when i picked up a hitchhiker, he sat in my car and said with a loud voice I am healed. its surprising to me! that which caused me mental anguish, made him think he was healed.
when i went to a lutheran church, i sat in the back with many pews separated between me and the practicing quior and my lungs burned with wind of acid, i had never before experienced in such potency.
when i was in the presence of JWs the particles of the air that burned in my throat and caused instant toxity to my mind speaks volumes of poisons which many think is the spirit of God
when i went to the baptist church / temple in anchorage more than once as a visitor, first to see the nativity acted on stagge I saw the particles in the air just as clearly in the spotlight as i knew the spirit in that building was not of God but of narcotic substances.
2nd when i went again to the same temple church, the poison burned in my throat so intensely i had not ever eaten the "dust" that has rivaled such Sleep deprivation which is not the spirit of God but a pharmecutical poison as well.
3rd in the same church i went to the auction while 2 or 3 people dressed in black actually "stalked" me as though they were trying to get in range to cast poison in the air around me again. in the same experience i experience a burning in my breath which was not as potent as the luther church but it was enough to speak out loud about repentance, Such things are EVIL and priestcrafts and sorceries.
not of sheep and true shepherd but of Rev 18:4,23
also i cannot forget the mormon church, the last day i attended church was that i was poisoned by air when two brethren of reputation sat in the pew in front of me, also such poison cause another day without sleep when i couldve gone home and fallen asleep as i had already gone without sleep for at least 2 days. if not only have ten minutes of sleep the day before.
when i went to the LDS stadium for a youth conference i saw exactly the same kind of particles in the air that was probably of mix of narcotics and poisons of the same kinds already listed above, in my testimony against such things, these are indeed NOT the spirit of God.
but pharmecutical sorcieries. this to me is the deception of sorceries that are plainly defined in rev ch. 18.
the baptism if spirit i had experienced when the angelic person visited me in my room defies or particularly seems to defy these types of works for not having used any drugs to make the appearance of light.
there seems to be a verse in the d&c however, that says the power of God can be given to man.
and another verse in the bible which describes a man as having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof.
does the denial of the power of God describe the pharmecutical sorceries or does it describe denying the power from God in heaven as needed.by the hands of God or the will of God alone?
D&C 84: 20-21
20 Therefore, in the aordinances thereof, the power of bgodliness is manifest.
21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the aauthority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is bnot manifest unto men in the flesh;
2 Tim. 3: 5
5 Having a aform of godliness, but bdenying the power thereof: from such turn away.
JS-H 1: 19
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
on the subjects of power!
D&C 132: 7, 13, 18-20, 39, 44-45, 48, 59, 64
7 And verily I say unto you, that the aconditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, boaths, cvows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and dsealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is eanointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by frevelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this gpower (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this hpower in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the ikeys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by athrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall bnot remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.
45 For I have conferred upon you the akeys and power of the priesthood, wherein I brestore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.
59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
D&C 76: 10, 12, 31, 37, 42, 52, 91, 95, 108, 116, 118
10 For by my aSpirit will I benlighten them, and by my cpower will I make known unto them the dsecrets of my ewill—yea, even those things which feye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor yet entered into the heart of man.
12 By the power of the aSpirit our beyes were opened and our understandings were enlightened, so as to see and understand the things of God
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and asuffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power
118 That through the power and manifestation of the Spirit, while in the flesh, they may be able to abear his bpresence in the world of glory.
JS-H 1: 9, 12, 15-16, 19-20, 70
9 My mind at times was greatly excited, the cry and tumult were so great and incessant.
this verse interests me most because of the description of "excitement". today a drug user would call this the symptoms of speedballs or any potent stimulant like pcp or lsd possibly even crack. ( i have no doubt the poisons i suffer, have existed since satan was able to teach sorceries to evil men, probably even as early as Cain and Able) definitely by the time of Noah. but, at the same time, this could be a natural occourance in the mind of joseph possibly even spurred on by the power of hte holy ghost) there is something to say about powers that exist and that are used in sorceries and priestcrafts and secret combinations which deceive the nations and kill the saints. Eugenics is a word that also describes the conspiracy behind pharmecuticals and is verily visible in effect this very year and preceding years.)
Ne. 13: 16, 18-19, 29-30, 34-35, 37, 39
16 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was awith them.
18 And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together aagainst them to battle.
19 And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were adelivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations
37 And ablessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my bZion at that day, for they shall have the cgift and the dpower of the Holy Ghost; and if they eendure unto the end they shall be flifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting gkingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall hpublish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be
D&C 88: 7-10, 13, 26, 45, 47, 114
7 Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made
D&C 102: 6-7, 11, 22, 24-25, 29, 33
1 Ne. 17: 29, 35, 42, 46, 48, 51-52, 55
D&C 107: 8, 14, 17-18, 20, 24, 27, 79
18 The power and authority of the higher, or Melchizedek Priesthood, is to hold the akeys of all the spiritual blessings of the church
Moro. 10: 4-5, 7, 24-25, 32-33
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would aask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a csincere heart, with dreal intent, having efaith in Christ, he will fmanifest the gtruth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may aknow the btruth of all things
7 And ye may aknow that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, baccording to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever
24 And now I speak unto all the ends of the earth—that if the day cometh that the power and gifts of God shall be done away among you, it shall be because of unbelief
D&C 128: 8-9, 11, 14, 18, 21, 23
11 Now the great and grand secret of the whole matter, and the summum bonum of the whole subject that is lying before us, consists in obtaining the apowers of the Holy Priesthood. For him to whom these keys are given there is no difficulty in obtaining a bknowledge of facts in relation to the csalvation of the children of men, both as well for the dead as for the living
14 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as are the records on the earth in relation to your dead, which are truly made out, so also are the records in heaven. This, therefore, is the sealing and binding power, and, in one sense of the word, the keys of the kingdom, which consist in the key of knowledge
D&C 84: 20-21, 28, 72, 77, 102, 119
72 And the poison of a serpent shall not have power to harm them
Rev. 13: 2, 4-5, 7, 12, 14-15
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and apower was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Nahum 3: 4
4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.
1 Sam. 15: 23
23 For arebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and bstubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast crejected the word of the Lord
2 Kgs. 9: 22
22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?
2 Chr. 33: 6
6 And he caused his children to pass through the afire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he bobserved times, and used enchantments, and used cwitchcraft, and ddealt with a efamiliar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.
Micah 5: 12
12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
Gal. 5: 20
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, astrife, seditions, heresies,
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Morm. 1: 19
19 And it came to pass that there were asorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also bSamuel the Lamanite
Morm. 2: 10
10 And it came to pass that the Nephites began to repent of their iniquity, and began to cry even as had been prophesied by Samuel the prophet; for behold no man could akeep that which was his own, for the thieves, and the robbers, and the murderers, and the magic art, and the witchcraft which was in the land
Isa. 47: 9, 12
9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee ain their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
Acts 8: 9, 11
9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used asorcery, and bbewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some cgreat one:
11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries
Rev. 9: 21
21 Neither repented they of their amurders, nor of their bsorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts
Rev. 18: 23
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the avoice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy bsorceries were all nations deceived
Alma 1: 32
32 For those who did not belong to their church did indulge themselves in asorceries,
Morm. 1: 19
19 And it came to pass that there were asorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also bSamuel the Lamanite
let me list the things that christians say is a spirit feeling.
wonderful joy
peace in the mind, beyond describption
or
of the earth which is elemental, and pharmecutical
read the bible these things are listed there
now for mormons, it can be all these things
or a telepathic "presence of the holy spirit" see the book a marvelous work and wonder by Talmage
also there is something called the "burning in the bosom"
which i can only say i have felt once,
the presense of the spirit and the spirit of revelation is something else entirely.
ONCE among all my poisons both from members and satanists and wolf packs, I sat in the bishops chair and the drug induced mental torture/torment stopped "instantly".
when i picked up a hitchhiker, he sat in my car and said with a loud voice I am healed. its surprising to me! that which caused me mental anguish, made him think he was healed.
when i went to a lutheran church, i sat in the back with many pews separated between me and the practicing quior and my lungs burned with wind of acid, i had never before experienced in such potency.
when i was in the presence of JWs the particles of the air that burned in my throat and caused instant toxity to my mind speaks volumes of poisons which many think is the spirit of God
when i went to the baptist church / temple in anchorage more than once as a visitor, first to see the nativity acted on stagge I saw the particles in the air just as clearly in the spotlight as i knew the spirit in that building was not of God but of narcotic substances.
2nd when i went again to the same temple church, the poison burned in my throat so intensely i had not ever eaten the "dust" that has rivaled such Sleep deprivation which is not the spirit of God but a pharmecutical poison as well.
3rd in the same church i went to the auction while 2 or 3 people dressed in black actually "stalked" me as though they were trying to get in range to cast poison in the air around me again. in the same experience i experience a burning in my breath which was not as potent as the luther church but it was enough to speak out loud about repentance, Such things are EVIL and priestcrafts and sorceries.
not of sheep and true shepherd but of Rev 18:4,23
also i cannot forget the mormon church, the last day i attended church was that i was poisoned by air when two brethren of reputation sat in the pew in front of me, also such poison cause another day without sleep when i couldve gone home and fallen asleep as i had already gone without sleep for at least 2 days. if not only have ten minutes of sleep the day before.
when i went to the LDS stadium for a youth conference i saw exactly the same kind of particles in the air that was probably of mix of narcotics and poisons of the same kinds already listed above, in my testimony against such things, these are indeed NOT the spirit of God.
but pharmecutical sorcieries. this to me is the deception of sorceries that are plainly defined in rev ch. 18.
the baptism if spirit i had experienced when the angelic person visited me in my room defies or particularly seems to defy these types of works for not having used any drugs to make the appearance of light.
there seems to be a verse in the d&c however, that says the power of God can be given to man.
and another verse in the bible which describes a man as having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof.
does the denial of the power of God describe the pharmecutical sorceries or does it describe denying the power from God in heaven as needed.by the hands of God or the will of God alone?
D&C 84: 20-21
20 Therefore, in the aordinances thereof, the power of bgodliness is manifest.
21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the aauthority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is bnot manifest unto men in the flesh;
2 Tim. 3: 5
5 Having a aform of godliness, but bdenying the power thereof: from such turn away.
JS-H 1: 19
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
on the subjects of power!
D&C 132: 7, 13, 18-20, 39, 44-45, 48, 59, 64
7 And verily I say unto you, that the aconditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, boaths, cvows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and dsealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is eanointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by frevelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this gpower (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this hpower in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the ikeys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by athrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall bnot remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.
45 For I have conferred upon you the akeys and power of the priesthood, wherein I brestore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.
59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
D&C 76: 10, 12, 31, 37, 42, 52, 91, 95, 108, 116, 118
10 For by my aSpirit will I benlighten them, and by my cpower will I make known unto them the dsecrets of my ewill—yea, even those things which feye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor yet entered into the heart of man.
12 By the power of the aSpirit our beyes were opened and our understandings were enlightened, so as to see and understand the things of God
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and asuffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power
118 That through the power and manifestation of the Spirit, while in the flesh, they may be able to abear his bpresence in the world of glory.
JS-H 1: 9, 12, 15-16, 19-20, 70
9 My mind at times was greatly excited, the cry and tumult were so great and incessant.
this verse interests me most because of the description of "excitement". today a drug user would call this the symptoms of speedballs or any potent stimulant like pcp or lsd possibly even crack. ( i have no doubt the poisons i suffer, have existed since satan was able to teach sorceries to evil men, probably even as early as Cain and Able) definitely by the time of Noah. but, at the same time, this could be a natural occourance in the mind of joseph possibly even spurred on by the power of hte holy ghost) there is something to say about powers that exist and that are used in sorceries and priestcrafts and secret combinations which deceive the nations and kill the saints. Eugenics is a word that also describes the conspiracy behind pharmecuticals and is verily visible in effect this very year and preceding years.)
Ne. 13: 16, 18-19, 29-30, 34-35, 37, 39
16 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was awith them.
18 And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together aagainst them to battle.
19 And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were adelivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations
37 And ablessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my bZion at that day, for they shall have the cgift and the dpower of the Holy Ghost; and if they eendure unto the end they shall be flifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting gkingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall hpublish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be
D&C 88: 7-10, 13, 26, 45, 47, 114
7 Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made
D&C 102: 6-7, 11, 22, 24-25, 29, 33
1 Ne. 17: 29, 35, 42, 46, 48, 51-52, 55
D&C 107: 8, 14, 17-18, 20, 24, 27, 79
18 The power and authority of the higher, or Melchizedek Priesthood, is to hold the akeys of all the spiritual blessings of the church
Moro. 10: 4-5, 7, 24-25, 32-33
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would aask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a csincere heart, with dreal intent, having efaith in Christ, he will fmanifest the gtruth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may aknow the btruth of all things
7 And ye may aknow that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, baccording to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever
24 And now I speak unto all the ends of the earth—that if the day cometh that the power and gifts of God shall be done away among you, it shall be because of unbelief
D&C 128: 8-9, 11, 14, 18, 21, 23
11 Now the great and grand secret of the whole matter, and the summum bonum of the whole subject that is lying before us, consists in obtaining the apowers of the Holy Priesthood. For him to whom these keys are given there is no difficulty in obtaining a bknowledge of facts in relation to the csalvation of the children of men, both as well for the dead as for the living
14 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as are the records on the earth in relation to your dead, which are truly made out, so also are the records in heaven. This, therefore, is the sealing and binding power, and, in one sense of the word, the keys of the kingdom, which consist in the key of knowledge
D&C 84: 20-21, 28, 72, 77, 102, 119
72 And the poison of a serpent shall not have power to harm them
Rev. 13: 2, 4-5, 7, 12, 14-15
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and apower was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Nahum 3: 4
4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.
1 Sam. 15: 23
23 For arebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and bstubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast crejected the word of the Lord
2 Kgs. 9: 22
22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?
2 Chr. 33: 6
6 And he caused his children to pass through the afire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he bobserved times, and used enchantments, and used cwitchcraft, and ddealt with a efamiliar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.
Micah 5: 12
12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
Gal. 5: 20
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, astrife, seditions, heresies,
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Morm. 1: 19
19 And it came to pass that there were asorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also bSamuel the Lamanite
Morm. 2: 10
10 And it came to pass that the Nephites began to repent of their iniquity, and began to cry even as had been prophesied by Samuel the prophet; for behold no man could akeep that which was his own, for the thieves, and the robbers, and the murderers, and the magic art, and the witchcraft which was in the land
Isa. 47: 9, 12
9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee ain their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
Acts 8: 9, 11
9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used asorcery, and bbewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some cgreat one:
11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries
Rev. 9: 21
21 Neither repented they of their amurders, nor of their bsorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts
Rev. 18: 23
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the avoice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy bsorceries were all nations deceived
Alma 1: 32
32 For those who did not belong to their church did indulge themselves in asorceries,
Morm. 1: 19
19 And it came to pass that there were asorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also bSamuel the Lamanite
another deleted yahoo question God walkin Garden
this question from Radolf was deleted: ( i didnt see anything wrong with it, except the defiance of unbelief in his words)
Why were Adam and Eve able to hear god coming in the garden of eden?
It says in Genesis that "When they heard the sound of the lord god moving about in the garden". Isn't god everywhere, wouldn't he have know they ate it the moment they did. Wouldn't he have known the "serpent" was tricking Eve. And why the hell would he be "moving about in the garden"? It also says that god had Adam "tend to the garden" before he sinned. Can't god take care of his own garden?
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they had ears to hear.
uhm, your secondary points are debateable, whether God always is everywhere in a dimensional paradox of time travels is not consistent with every doctrine All the time.
andyour question about tending the garden also has to do with research and a labatory, because while Adam might have been in the garden, the gods were also causing men to Mine for Gold.
according to a few people this planet was a prison planet and criminals were sent here to labor in the "mines".
also, if you read the book urantia on genesis, Adam and were not even here while life existed, they came from God as "ambassadors" and then sinned. so the garden story if there is any truth at all might ahve existed somewhere else, maybe on the LDS planet of Kolob.
and you have to determine which "god" was walking in the garden. was it the Pre-existent Jesus who would be in spirit form only because he had not been born. or if it was the Father indeed. most believe it was the Father. if the LDS version of The Father is correct, The Father was already a resurrected personage and could make sounds with his physical body, especially walking in the leaves and branches if they existed. who knows how well the ears of Adam were to hear things. if it was the Spirit of christ walkingin the garden he might have known about the transgression and used a little fear tactic such as rushing wind. even if it was the Father, the same tactic also would be a condition to see how Adam and Eve would react.
as for the the paradox of multidimensional travel or even time travel. i have speculated that the time bubbles we live and exist in, have existed since before Eve ate the forbidden fruit. possibly only since they were cast out of the garden. whenever this time bubble paradox was first created, it probably envelopes All of us and our mortality until the last day of resurrection and possibly even until the end of the 2nd death. it might even cover the OUTER darkness even after mankind and the eart are exalted. TMi
just a few thoughts.
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Why were Adam and Eve able to hear god coming in the garden of eden?
It says in Genesis that "When they heard the sound of the lord god moving about in the garden". Isn't god everywhere, wouldn't he have know they ate it the moment they did. Wouldn't he have known the "serpent" was tricking Eve. And why the hell would he be "moving about in the garden"? It also says that god had Adam "tend to the garden" before he sinned. Can't god take care of his own garden?
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/ic13a/yahoodeletedquestionGodwalking.JPG
they had ears to hear.
uhm, your secondary points are debateable, whether God always is everywhere in a dimensional paradox of time travels is not consistent with every doctrine All the time.
andyour question about tending the garden also has to do with research and a labatory, because while Adam might have been in the garden, the gods were also causing men to Mine for Gold.
according to a few people this planet was a prison planet and criminals were sent here to labor in the "mines".
also, if you read the book urantia on genesis, Adam and were not even here while life existed, they came from God as "ambassadors" and then sinned. so the garden story if there is any truth at all might ahve existed somewhere else, maybe on the LDS planet of Kolob.
and you have to determine which "god" was walking in the garden. was it the Pre-existent Jesus who would be in spirit form only because he had not been born. or if it was the Father indeed. most believe it was the Father. if the LDS version of The Father is correct, The Father was already a resurrected personage and could make sounds with his physical body, especially walking in the leaves and branches if they existed. who knows how well the ears of Adam were to hear things. if it was the Spirit of christ walkingin the garden he might have known about the transgression and used a little fear tactic such as rushing wind. even if it was the Father, the same tactic also would be a condition to see how Adam and Eve would react.
as for the the paradox of multidimensional travel or even time travel. i have speculated that the time bubbles we live and exist in, have existed since before Eve ate the forbidden fruit. possibly only since they were cast out of the garden. whenever this time bubble paradox was first created, it probably envelopes All of us and our mortality until the last day of resurrection and possibly even until the end of the 2nd death. it might even cover the OUTER darkness even after mankind and the eart are exalted. TMi
just a few thoughts.
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/ic13a/yahoodeletedquestionGodwalking.JPG
Thursday, September 3, 2009
did God crdeate evil
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090903132346AAO7aTB&cp=2
Michael asks this question:Why did God create evil?
Isaiah45:7 says that God created evil, why?
Ireply:
i bet it doesnt !
edit: ok, im convinced there is something to this contradiction.[ideleted the rest of the answer] God cannot be a being without any darkness of any kind, and still plan for evil. or there are two different persons being spoken of here as the same god.
at face value it does certainly look like it. but one would have to realize translations dont always use the correct words.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
for instance in the ten commandments alone the word in english is thou shalt not kill. yet every jewish rabbi and scribe will tell you it is literally thou shalt not murder.
so, in this example it might be a truer meaning to say God causes evil to happen or allows it to happen.
it is written else where God does not tempt with sin.
literally when a witch or a pagan Cries "foul" or points at a "baby-killing-god" couldnot be a god of love!
in another interpretation, God will destroy nations and wicked shall call it evil. but it not evil to defend people and destroy an army of murderers and peoples that do human sacrifices. when teh world sees stuff like this it is just as much a villification of the holy god.
even though God says of himself he is a warrior.
p.s. another point of veiw is that satan is self-created because it is written that in the beginning God created all the host of heaven and saw that they were good. lucifier is declared to become satan of his own choice by not obeying God or submitting to the Messiah Jesus. through pride.
the term Satan is defined as Enemy of God or enemy of righteousness. might have literally been "god-breathed" but who knows of this truth?
when it comes to mixxing of terms and conditions, one must agree that a plague is not evil, it is a punishment. it might be perceived as evil. but in general terms again if a person gets boils or lice and sufferes it could mean mostly that humans brought it upon themselves. thus its not a true creation of God. when man ignores the commandments of God and suffers aids or hiv or gonoreah, the suffer evil because it was a designed genetic punishment.
its like saying a freedom fighter to the Colonialist is a good person but to the English they were terrrorists. just another thought
someone else answered:
He created that which BECAME evil!
This verse in Isaiah IS correct in that it means that that which God created something that BECAME evil. So, in that sense-God Did create evil. But not to begin with, as seen here:
Genesis 1:31 (New International Version)
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
The Hebrew translation does not say "evil"
It says God created "ra" which means "Sorrow or Calamity
evil Gives us a choice and a bal not all evil is bad God uses it for His glory and if we are going to have freewill we have to have a choice. but evil will always be used for God's most Holy and wise purpose and for the Good of those who love the Lord read Genesis 50:20
Source(s):
Genesis 50:20
Evil has never existed. Evil is an adjective, a word, nothing more. A simple way of describing cruelty. Merely just a point of view.
but Jay answers this:
If "God did not create evil" then what of the following?
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.
Judges 9:23
Then God sent an evil spirit
1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house
1 Kings 9:9
...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.
1 Kings 14:10
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam
2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;
2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.
2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place
2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof...
Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?
Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.
Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people
Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them
Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD
lynn says this:
Nonsense. God did not and can not create evil. The very idea is ridiculous. Who you gonna believe? Me? Or some guy named Isaiah?
jesus is lord said this:
In my Bible Isaiah 45:7 says 'I form the light and create the dark'
So as the dark is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good.
God did not create evil.
He created the light and is the light.
CJ said this:
Here's the verse, for those too .. ummm... "busy" to look it up yourselves:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
If God created all things, then he most certainly created evil.
Buddha said: If God allows evil to exist, then he cannot be good. And if hecannot do anything about evil, then he cannot be God.
ross said this:
Until you realize He didn't, we did, we think He did.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090903132346AAO7aTB&cp=2
Michael asks this question:Why did God create evil?
Isaiah45:7 says that God created evil, why?
Ireply:
i bet it doesnt !
edit: ok, im convinced there is something to this contradiction.[ideleted the rest of the answer] God cannot be a being without any darkness of any kind, and still plan for evil. or there are two different persons being spoken of here as the same god.
at face value it does certainly look like it. but one would have to realize translations dont always use the correct words.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
for instance in the ten commandments alone the word in english is thou shalt not kill. yet every jewish rabbi and scribe will tell you it is literally thou shalt not murder.
so, in this example it might be a truer meaning to say God causes evil to happen or allows it to happen.
it is written else where God does not tempt with sin.
literally when a witch or a pagan Cries "foul" or points at a "baby-killing-god" couldnot be a god of love!
in another interpretation, God will destroy nations and wicked shall call it evil. but it not evil to defend people and destroy an army of murderers and peoples that do human sacrifices. when teh world sees stuff like this it is just as much a villification of the holy god.
even though God says of himself he is a warrior.
p.s. another point of veiw is that satan is self-created because it is written that in the beginning God created all the host of heaven and saw that they were good. lucifier is declared to become satan of his own choice by not obeying God or submitting to the Messiah Jesus. through pride.
the term Satan is defined as Enemy of God or enemy of righteousness. might have literally been "god-breathed" but who knows of this truth?
when it comes to mixxing of terms and conditions, one must agree that a plague is not evil, it is a punishment. it might be perceived as evil. but in general terms again if a person gets boils or lice and sufferes it could mean mostly that humans brought it upon themselves. thus its not a true creation of God. when man ignores the commandments of God and suffers aids or hiv or gonoreah, the suffer evil because it was a designed genetic punishment.
its like saying a freedom fighter to the Colonialist is a good person but to the English they were terrrorists. just another thought
someone else answered:
He created that which BECAME evil!
This verse in Isaiah IS correct in that it means that that which God created something that BECAME evil. So, in that sense-God Did create evil. But not to begin with, as seen here:
Genesis 1:31 (New International Version)
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
The Hebrew translation does not say "evil"
It says God created "ra" which means "Sorrow or Calamity
evil Gives us a choice and a bal not all evil is bad God uses it for His glory and if we are going to have freewill we have to have a choice. but evil will always be used for God's most Holy and wise purpose and for the Good of those who love the Lord read Genesis 50:20
Source(s):
Genesis 50:20
Evil has never existed. Evil is an adjective, a word, nothing more. A simple way of describing cruelty. Merely just a point of view.
but Jay answers this:
If "God did not create evil" then what of the following?
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.
Judges 9:23
Then God sent an evil spirit
1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house
1 Kings 9:9
...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.
1 Kings 14:10
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam
2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;
2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.
2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place
2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof...
Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?
Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.
Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people
Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them
Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD
lynn says this:
Nonsense. God did not and can not create evil. The very idea is ridiculous. Who you gonna believe? Me? Or some guy named Isaiah?
jesus is lord said this:
In my Bible Isaiah 45:7 says 'I form the light and create the dark'
So as the dark is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good.
God did not create evil.
He created the light and is the light.
CJ said this:
Here's the verse, for those too .. ummm... "busy" to look it up yourselves:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
If God created all things, then he most certainly created evil.
Buddha said: If God allows evil to exist, then he cannot be good. And if hecannot do anything about evil, then he cannot be God.
ross said this:
Until you realize He didn't, we did, we think He did.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090903132346AAO7aTB&cp=2
Wednesday, September 2, 2009
hearing voices
first of all God says My thoughts are not your thoughts my ways are not your ways!
2nd you have to understand that there is voice to skull technology which is discussed in the Obercromb files and by Nich Begich.
third the voice can be a form of mind control and the result of drugs that manipulate and repress or oppress the memory. so truly not all voices heard are of God.
it is written that in the days of sodom and gomorah that men were vexxed with voices and later it was condemned by a prophet that proved it was their own medicines and sorceries that caused this vexxations of hte mind.
and so it is proveable today as well, sorceries and pharmecuticals cause all or many Psychosis.
in general God does not speak to anyONE.
except to prophets who are called and chosen. usually it does takethe gift of prophecy.
and one must also discern between fallen angels and telepathy and intent to deceive and cause idolatry.
but if God will speak he can speak in thunderous voice as a man stands while the earth shakes and trembles or he can hear the voice of jesus as one speaking in a still small voice.
both terms are not contradictory.
if the holy ghost speaks, it is possible that he will speak as the others do, with a voice commonly heard as though hearing a freind speaking to you.
in times past God has communicated with man and prophets in various ways and in diverse mannners. not all people who claim to be prophet are sent by God, some are actually more like the mind control device described in the book of acts where Lydia is found.
acts 16
2nd you have to understand that there is voice to skull technology which is discussed in the Obercromb files and by Nich Begich.
third the voice can be a form of mind control and the result of drugs that manipulate and repress or oppress the memory. so truly not all voices heard are of God.
it is written that in the days of sodom and gomorah that men were vexxed with voices and later it was condemned by a prophet that proved it was their own medicines and sorceries that caused this vexxations of hte mind.
and so it is proveable today as well, sorceries and pharmecuticals cause all or many Psychosis.
in general God does not speak to anyONE.
except to prophets who are called and chosen. usually it does takethe gift of prophecy.
and one must also discern between fallen angels and telepathy and intent to deceive and cause idolatry.
but if God will speak he can speak in thunderous voice as a man stands while the earth shakes and trembles or he can hear the voice of jesus as one speaking in a still small voice.
both terms are not contradictory.
if the holy ghost speaks, it is possible that he will speak as the others do, with a voice commonly heard as though hearing a freind speaking to you.
in times past God has communicated with man and prophets in various ways and in diverse mannners. not all people who claim to be prophet are sent by God, some are actually more like the mind control device described in the book of acts where Lydia is found.
acts 16
homosexuality quote pg 85
The Pseudepigrapha
2 Enoch
Reference to sodomy in the Pseudepigrapha are even clearer than those in the Apocrypha. More books are in the Pseudepigrapha than in the Apocrypha, and in general they were written later. No one has ever considred any of themt to have authority on a par with Scripture. However the New Testament cites or uses a few portions of them (most clearly, Jude uses the Assumption of Moses in v. 9 and 1 Enoch in vv. 14-15).
in the longer recension of 2 enoch, also knowan as Slavonic Enoch, there is an amplification of Genesis 5:21-32, covering events from the life of Enoch to the Flood. The book is basically midrash ( expositional commentary) in an apocylyptic format. Enoch visits paradise as well as the place of torment in the heavens and returns to report to his family what he has learned.
the book, in the words of F.I. Andersen believes it to be early, perhaps dated to the turn of the era, and to have origninated within a Jewish (pre-christian) community. It is probably a Semitic work that passed through Greek into Slavonic. Various scholars date it as arising as early as 100 B.C. or as late as A.D 800.
In 2 Enoch, the refernces to homosexuality begin at 10:1 IN the longer recensions (known as P and J), Enoch has visited the third heaven. Before taking him to the fourth heaven, men show him "the frightful place and various tortures" in the northern region. A black fire blazes perpetually, and a river of fire comes out with freezing ice. When Enoch expresses woe and shock at the awfulness of the place, the men answer(10:4-5a):
This place, Enoch, has been prepared fo those who do not glorify God, who practice on the earth ths sin [which is against nature, which is child corruption in the anus in the manner of Sodom], of witchcraft, enchantments, divinations, trafficking with demons, who boast about their evil deeds -- stealing, lying, insulting, coveting, resentment, fornication, murder -- ] and who steal the souls of men secretly, seizing the poor by the throat, taking away their possessions.
in the shorter recension (A) of this passage, the text reads as follows: "this place, youth, has been prepared for those who practice godless uncleanness on the earth, who perform witchcraft and [enchantments], and who boast about their deeds. They steal souls secretly; who untie the yoke that has been secured; who enrich themselves by fraud from the possession of others."
Clearly, the words of the longer recesnion, which so explicitly refer to Sodom and sodomy, find their counterpart in the words of the shorter recension " who practice godless uncleannes on the earth." these words are clearly parallel to those of Jubilees 16:5-9 (see below), which refers specifically to the men of sodom as those who, among other things, "work uncleannes on the earth" the phrase is bacially equivalent to that of the longer recension: "who practice on the earth the sin... " This observation goes far in helping to identify what these obscure words mean.
in addition, the various vices of the longer recension remind one of the Ten Commandments, Leviticus 18 and 20, revelation 21:8 and 22:15, The Apocalypse of Peter and other passages. About these vices, Andersen comments that "there is nothing here that any god-fearer, jew or christian, would not affirm."
Scholars dispute the genuineness of either recension, and are divided over which is the more authentic. Andersen appears to favor the longer recension.
in 2 Enoch 34, the auther explicitly denounces sodomy at two points. The longer recension (J) reads (1-3, including the introduction):
God convicts the person who are idol worshippers and sodomite fornicators and for this reason he brings down the flood upon them.
1 For i know the wickedness of mankind, how they have rejected my commandments and they will not carry the yoke which i have placed on them.
But they will cast off my yoke, and they will accept a different yoke. And they will sow worthless seed, not fearing God and not worshipping me, but they began to worship vain gods, and they renounced my uniqueness.
2 And all the world will be reduced to confusion by iniquities and wickednesses and abominable fornications that is, freind with freind in the anus, and every other kind of wicked uncleanness which it is disgusting to report, and the worship of the evil (one).
3 And that is why I shall bring down the flood onto the earth, and I shall destroy everyting, and the earth itself will collapse in great darkness.
the comparable section in the shorter recension (A) again lacks the references to sodomy.
1 I know the wickedness of mankind, how they will not carry the yoke which I have placed on them. Nor do they sow the seed which I have given them; but they have renounced my yoke, and they will take on another yoke; and they will sow worthless seed, and do obeisance to vain gods. And they will reject my sole rule. And all the world will sin by injustices and
2 crimes and adulteries and idolatries
3 Then I shall bring down the flood onto the earth, and the earth itself will be overwhelmed by a great quantity of mud.
Second Enoch 34:1-3 refers broadly to adult sodomy, whereas 10:4-5 primarily refer to pederasty. The Speaker in 2 Enoch adds his evaluation of sodomy: In 10:4, it is "the sin which is against nature" (words reminiscent of Romans 1). in 34:2 he calls it "abominable fornications" and associates it with every other kind of wicked uncleannes which it is disgusting to report." The reference to sodomy in recension J is equivalent to adulteries in recension A. the Familiar connection between idolatry and sodomy is covered by " and idolatries," an atttitude similar to that in Romans 1, The Wisdom of Solomon 14:12 , and the title of 2 Enoch 34(j).
a book about homosexuality by James B. DeYoung and ancient literature pg 85-87
my personal comment on this: i believe that the longer recension is probably the first one. and later the edited portions were taken out. but to date a book of enoch from the turn of the era is absolutely not a true date, if it is the book of enoch, these are not doubt copies of copies that survived only despite the wickedness of men to destroy them.
2 Enoch
Reference to sodomy in the Pseudepigrapha are even clearer than those in the Apocrypha. More books are in the Pseudepigrapha than in the Apocrypha, and in general they were written later. No one has ever considred any of themt to have authority on a par with Scripture. However the New Testament cites or uses a few portions of them (most clearly, Jude uses the Assumption of Moses in v. 9 and 1 Enoch in vv. 14-15).
in the longer recension of 2 enoch, also knowan as Slavonic Enoch, there is an amplification of Genesis 5:21-32, covering events from the life of Enoch to the Flood. The book is basically midrash ( expositional commentary) in an apocylyptic format. Enoch visits paradise as well as the place of torment in the heavens and returns to report to his family what he has learned.
the book, in the words of F.I. Andersen believes it to be early, perhaps dated to the turn of the era, and to have origninated within a Jewish (pre-christian) community. It is probably a Semitic work that passed through Greek into Slavonic. Various scholars date it as arising as early as 100 B.C. or as late as A.D 800.
In 2 Enoch, the refernces to homosexuality begin at 10:1 IN the longer recensions (known as P and J), Enoch has visited the third heaven. Before taking him to the fourth heaven, men show him "the frightful place and various tortures" in the northern region. A black fire blazes perpetually, and a river of fire comes out with freezing ice. When Enoch expresses woe and shock at the awfulness of the place, the men answer(10:4-5a):
This place, Enoch, has been prepared fo those who do not glorify God, who practice on the earth ths sin [which is against nature, which is child corruption in the anus in the manner of Sodom], of witchcraft, enchantments, divinations, trafficking with demons, who boast about their evil deeds -- stealing, lying, insulting, coveting, resentment, fornication, murder -- ] and who steal the souls of men secretly, seizing the poor by the throat, taking away their possessions.
in the shorter recension (A) of this passage, the text reads as follows: "this place, youth, has been prepared for those who practice godless uncleanness on the earth, who perform witchcraft and [enchantments], and who boast about their deeds. They steal souls secretly; who untie the yoke that has been secured; who enrich themselves by fraud from the possession of others."
Clearly, the words of the longer recesnion, which so explicitly refer to Sodom and sodomy, find their counterpart in the words of the shorter recension " who practice godless uncleannes on the earth." these words are clearly parallel to those of Jubilees 16:5-9 (see below), which refers specifically to the men of sodom as those who, among other things, "work uncleannes on the earth" the phrase is bacially equivalent to that of the longer recension: "who practice on the earth the sin... " This observation goes far in helping to identify what these obscure words mean.
in addition, the various vices of the longer recension remind one of the Ten Commandments, Leviticus 18 and 20, revelation 21:8 and 22:15, The Apocalypse of Peter and other passages. About these vices, Andersen comments that "there is nothing here that any god-fearer, jew or christian, would not affirm."
Scholars dispute the genuineness of either recension, and are divided over which is the more authentic. Andersen appears to favor the longer recension.
in 2 Enoch 34, the auther explicitly denounces sodomy at two points. The longer recension (J) reads (1-3, including the introduction):
God convicts the person who are idol worshippers and sodomite fornicators and for this reason he brings down the flood upon them.
1 For i know the wickedness of mankind, how they have rejected my commandments and they will not carry the yoke which i have placed on them.
But they will cast off my yoke, and they will accept a different yoke. And they will sow worthless seed, not fearing God and not worshipping me, but they began to worship vain gods, and they renounced my uniqueness.
2 And all the world will be reduced to confusion by iniquities and wickednesses and abominable fornications that is, freind with freind in the anus, and every other kind of wicked uncleanness which it is disgusting to report, and the worship of the evil (one).
3 And that is why I shall bring down the flood onto the earth, and I shall destroy everyting, and the earth itself will collapse in great darkness.
the comparable section in the shorter recension (A) again lacks the references to sodomy.
1 I know the wickedness of mankind, how they will not carry the yoke which I have placed on them. Nor do they sow the seed which I have given them; but they have renounced my yoke, and they will take on another yoke; and they will sow worthless seed, and do obeisance to vain gods. And they will reject my sole rule. And all the world will sin by injustices and
2 crimes and adulteries and idolatries
3 Then I shall bring down the flood onto the earth, and the earth itself will be overwhelmed by a great quantity of mud.
Second Enoch 34:1-3 refers broadly to adult sodomy, whereas 10:4-5 primarily refer to pederasty. The Speaker in 2 Enoch adds his evaluation of sodomy: In 10:4, it is "the sin which is against nature" (words reminiscent of Romans 1). in 34:2 he calls it "abominable fornications" and associates it with every other kind of wicked uncleannes which it is disgusting to report." The reference to sodomy in recension J is equivalent to adulteries in recension A. the Familiar connection between idolatry and sodomy is covered by " and idolatries," an atttitude similar to that in Romans 1, The Wisdom of Solomon 14:12 , and the title of 2 Enoch 34(j).
a book about homosexuality by James B. DeYoung and ancient literature pg 85-87
my personal comment on this: i believe that the longer recension is probably the first one. and later the edited portions were taken out. but to date a book of enoch from the turn of the era is absolutely not a true date, if it is the book of enoch, these are not doubt copies of copies that survived only despite the wickedness of men to destroy them.
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