Can a true Christian lose there salvation?
in my opinion true christians dont exist unless they are born again of water and spirit and do not sin and their seed remains in them.
how many people qualify in all four categories
now a true believer! that might be a splittingof the hairs.
i say i was born again when i was 15 or 16 because of the spirit
but truly i never fulfilled the NOT sinning or the seed requirements. but nevertheless I am a witness of christ. and something counted.
a true christian might exist if you call them a true believer of a lower promise. whether they believe a lie or not. but no one can obtain the best resurrection if beleive in a lie or failed to forsake all their sins. then you have backsliders and the sometimes disobedient and the rebellious and those that HATE.
it is possible to "not" be saved even if one believes they are saved.
Monday, May 18, 2009
trailer trash born again question
The question wouldn't post without the asterisks
There's something peculiarly inbred about the "B*orn A*gain". It's like the t*railer t*rash of faith?
A sort of catch all for those that cannot rise beyond an 8th grade level education. Is mental r*etardation an aid to faith? a question asked by benignMalignant. He adds: The question wouldn't post without the asterisks
A true born again Does NOT SIN and his "seed" remains in him.
these are two mostly unknown verses in the bible after the preachers and pastors get done dividing the word where they mean exactly opposite of what is the truth.
all men who are true saints are born again but are of a better sanctification and are justified by God and therefore never could be trailer trash
however, as i admit, if you believe only in the born again definition of being baptized by water and of the holy ghost /spirit. you will find that such beliefs are limited in vision and understanding. as mine was! i still claim i was born again when the angel (or holy ghost appeared in my bedroom) because it was a baptism of fire. but i also testify i thought it was Jesus and prayed for forgiveness because i had missed the rapture. but every christian i talked to for years claimed it was satan.
anyway. everyone starts out as babes in christ and they have to dilligently learn and study to understand many things. for the Lord knows there are many false teachers in the world that claim they know the truth.
i dont claim to know the truth! as i have repeated on Q&A repeatedly. but i know one thing that many, even the highest educated dont know. I am a witness of christ.
and it is biblical, that God gives to poor treasures of the gifts of the spirit and they are rich in the spirit. so dont dismiss trailer trash out of hand! because some people esteemed as nothing might be the judges even i have to face on judgment day! some that are highly esteemed of the earth will be the ones crying to god for a drop of water.
There's something peculiarly inbred about the "B*orn A*gain". It's like the t*railer t*rash of faith?
A sort of catch all for those that cannot rise beyond an 8th grade level education. Is mental r*etardation an aid to faith? a question asked by benignMalignant. He adds: The question wouldn't post without the asterisks
A true born again Does NOT SIN and his "seed" remains in him.
these are two mostly unknown verses in the bible after the preachers and pastors get done dividing the word where they mean exactly opposite of what is the truth.
all men who are true saints are born again but are of a better sanctification and are justified by God and therefore never could be trailer trash
however, as i admit, if you believe only in the born again definition of being baptized by water and of the holy ghost /spirit. you will find that such beliefs are limited in vision and understanding. as mine was! i still claim i was born again when the angel (or holy ghost appeared in my bedroom) because it was a baptism of fire. but i also testify i thought it was Jesus and prayed for forgiveness because i had missed the rapture. but every christian i talked to for years claimed it was satan.
anyway. everyone starts out as babes in christ and they have to dilligently learn and study to understand many things. for the Lord knows there are many false teachers in the world that claim they know the truth.
i dont claim to know the truth! as i have repeated on Q&A repeatedly. but i know one thing that many, even the highest educated dont know. I am a witness of christ.
and it is biblical, that God gives to poor treasures of the gifts of the spirit and they are rich in the spirit. so dont dismiss trailer trash out of hand! because some people esteemed as nothing might be the judges even i have to face on judgment day! some that are highly esteemed of the earth will be the ones crying to god for a drop of water.
SaviourFAther father-mother Son-daughter?
the jewish bible contains traditions of God being Father-Mother from Genesis
but the english bible does use the word Father and erases the mother
others just accept that God is an entity which i whole heartedly disagree
it is a fact that God says he can be jealous.
it is fact that God can love and experience rage.
another fact which i think pertains to the SAVIOUR christians teach is Jesus, says that one of these two beings was tired and had to rest. while the sambe bible says God never rests.
in the christian bible it clearly says that Jesus was baptized of john and a voice was heard by everyone standing nearby and the voice said this is my beloved Son.
jesus was later resurrected and appeared unto his disciples with a body that was not a spirit, but because they feared it was a spirit he invited them to touch his body and see for themselves.
i assume Jesus was resurrected with body parts and passions and as he was Male gender in life, he was resurrected as a male.
if the english translation says he was a son from the voice in heaven and it was never altered, then truely this implies His Father OUR Father in heaven is also a Male.
Parley P pratt and the first LDS christians of mormon tradition also believed because the old testament in English says God has passions and describes that he also has body parts, that God therefore is not just an entity or a spirit but a living being who can give birth to children. Body parts and passions are the conclusions of LDS traditions.
but it doesnt stop there, when joseph smith went to inquire of the lord which church to join, he saw two personages.
not just jesus.
and we know in english that God made Man in HIS image and likeness and in Form. before he created EVE, To me this clearly proves that God was/is Male. but it also proves after he created Eve that there are female goddesses as well, but whether they have matriarchal societies on other planets is debateable.
right now i can accept that there are females as goddesses and possibly even as saviours.
but on this planet OUR saviour helped His Father created this planet for his plan of salvation. To US there is only this ONE God and saviour/judge on this planet there is no other.!
but the english bible does use the word Father and erases the mother
others just accept that God is an entity which i whole heartedly disagree
it is a fact that God says he can be jealous.
it is fact that God can love and experience rage.
another fact which i think pertains to the SAVIOUR christians teach is Jesus, says that one of these two beings was tired and had to rest. while the sambe bible says God never rests.
in the christian bible it clearly says that Jesus was baptized of john and a voice was heard by everyone standing nearby and the voice said this is my beloved Son.
jesus was later resurrected and appeared unto his disciples with a body that was not a spirit, but because they feared it was a spirit he invited them to touch his body and see for themselves.
i assume Jesus was resurrected with body parts and passions and as he was Male gender in life, he was resurrected as a male.
if the english translation says he was a son from the voice in heaven and it was never altered, then truely this implies His Father OUR Father in heaven is also a Male.
Parley P pratt and the first LDS christians of mormon tradition also believed because the old testament in English says God has passions and describes that he also has body parts, that God therefore is not just an entity or a spirit but a living being who can give birth to children. Body parts and passions are the conclusions of LDS traditions.
but it doesnt stop there, when joseph smith went to inquire of the lord which church to join, he saw two personages.
not just jesus.
and we know in english that God made Man in HIS image and likeness and in Form. before he created EVE, To me this clearly proves that God was/is Male. but it also proves after he created Eve that there are female goddesses as well, but whether they have matriarchal societies on other planets is debateable.
right now i can accept that there are females as goddesses and possibly even as saviours.
but on this planet OUR saviour helped His Father created this planet for his plan of salvation. To US there is only this ONE God and saviour/judge on this planet there is no other.!
followup question on tibetan new testament
how many christians of any denomination believe the bible has been altered to reflect political beliefs ?
i want to particularly discuss the tibetan new testament which was translated in the 1880's and i also want people to check it out.
i would like to add every GOOD verse that is not in the bible! and debate the verses that are traditionally NOT biblical at all! or western culture. has anyone looked at the link yet?
i want to particularly discuss the tibetan new testament which was translated in the 1880's and i also want people to check it out.
i would like to add every GOOD verse that is not in the bible! and debate the verses that are traditionally NOT biblical at all! or western culture. has anyone looked at the link yet?
sorceriesORspiritofGod
How do i ask this question? Is there a difference between the spirit of God and sorceries?
dealing with spirit and mind and intoxication and pleasure, perfume and huffing?
can a person of christian strong beliefs confuse a chemical "high" with the spirit of God and be decieved by sorceries. ?
if a person Huffs he gets high.
yet huffing is so Dangerous it can kill or leave someone in a coma or brain damaged.
but if a sweet smell like candy covers up the chemical poisons is there still not a danger to the mind.?
Example: this weekend i was invited to church and the chapple was small, So one woman came in with a perfume so strong it filled two room and nearly the outside as well.
was her perfume so strong to cover-up a poison intentionally. is it wrong use perfumes while it is mixxed with an intoxicating chemical ( or potion) that even the guest speaker said He had the spirit of God.
this is where the question arises. Did he have the spirit of God or was he intoxicated by a perfumed chemical or sorcerers potion?
rev 18:23
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApDQVHdTw2BIh270QyafIQXty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090516112750AAMpDvM
i wish i couldve been at the vote on this.
many people take the voting in sustaining leaders as absolutely correct while Apostles who are sustained seem to get excommunicated, later on.
my questions arise out of the inconsistency of poisons of pharmecuticals and simple cafeine. many pharmecuticals are just as wicked as pure cocaine and LSD which street-drug-dealers are outlawed from dispensing.
and if you legalize all drugs as some claim, wont this be a step closer to a brave new world where everyone is forced to take drugs ?
i think people should consider dr anne blake traceys books and other books on pharmecutical drugs. truly in my opinion the legalization of prescription drugs is the same thing as having a drug dealer with more money legalized.
and i also believe in some respect the same drugs made by drug companies are used by those who have prescriptions to poison others and which Dr Tracey says All drugs cause some Psychosis. which is also not well for legalizing drugs.
dealing with spirit and mind and intoxication and pleasure, perfume and huffing?
can a person of christian strong beliefs confuse a chemical "high" with the spirit of God and be decieved by sorceries. ?
if a person Huffs he gets high.
yet huffing is so Dangerous it can kill or leave someone in a coma or brain damaged.
but if a sweet smell like candy covers up the chemical poisons is there still not a danger to the mind.?
Example: this weekend i was invited to church and the chapple was small, So one woman came in with a perfume so strong it filled two room and nearly the outside as well.
was her perfume so strong to cover-up a poison intentionally. is it wrong use perfumes while it is mixxed with an intoxicating chemical ( or potion) that even the guest speaker said He had the spirit of God.
this is where the question arises. Did he have the spirit of God or was he intoxicated by a perfumed chemical or sorcerers potion?
rev 18:23
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApDQVHdTw2BIh270QyafIQXty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090516112750AAMpDvM
i wish i couldve been at the vote on this.
many people take the voting in sustaining leaders as absolutely correct while Apostles who are sustained seem to get excommunicated, later on.
my questions arise out of the inconsistency of poisons of pharmecuticals and simple cafeine. many pharmecuticals are just as wicked as pure cocaine and LSD which street-drug-dealers are outlawed from dispensing.
and if you legalize all drugs as some claim, wont this be a step closer to a brave new world where everyone is forced to take drugs ?
i think people should consider dr anne blake traceys books and other books on pharmecutical drugs. truly in my opinion the legalization of prescription drugs is the same thing as having a drug dealer with more money legalized.
and i also believe in some respect the same drugs made by drug companies are used by those who have prescriptions to poison others and which Dr Tracey says All drugs cause some Psychosis. which is also not well for legalizing drugs.
Friday, May 15, 2009
secret combinations in All churches
for me its secret combinations and witchcrafts
the godmakers has a testimony of witch entering the temple.
witchcraft is a sin.
sorcery is rebuked by the book of mormon repeatedly
p.s. but after all that! the testimony i have gained from the HOLY Ghost and several ways of revelation and prophecy, my testimony still led me to this church and confirms the doctrines. i dont practice anything that might hurt anyone mentally or cause sleep deprivation. i have prayed to God and raised my hand in priesthood authority and things have happened. so i am just a witness of Jesus. and i am seemingly alone.
the works of the satan in babylon is sorcery see rev 18:4, 23
however to be fair! parley p pratt had a difficulty with something about plural marriage and received the teaching of the "healing craft".
the sign of the zero was first recognized by me (i.e. the OK sign) at priesthood meeting.
and i thought it was for SURE! the sign of the devil. others said it was a party and we' are all coming (i.e. in your mouth).
so when i see people like Oreilgy and Glenn Beck doing it. i know its not of the temple, it has to be of the "world".
but when i read the story of lotts' daughters and how they drugged the wine and connected it to the "wine of fornication" of sorcery, i knew there is something wrong. and when i read verse 4 i know the entire world is deceived as much as the eldest daughter deceived the younger. probably because she was pregnant and wanted to cover it up.
but when i read in the book of acts how the early saints burned their books of secrets (i.e. witchcrafts and sorceries) and the publicly told everyone what these things were, PEOPLE everyway have to KNOW that the chruch of christ does not follow satan in these matters. Even homeopathy is discounted in the old testament. if cafiene is a poison to the body and it is the word of wisdom HOW MUCH MORE are pharmecutical prescription drugs and how much more evil exists when people actually learn to POISON others.
and I swear the last time i went to church in an LDS sacrament, two of the best people in the ward and a stake president sat down in front of me and instantly my mind was poisoned and intoxicated with a poison that is so lethal to the mind that many poisons like it were the cause of me NOT sleeping for for 13 years and still continues to plague me.
these two men had families and pews that they couldve and shouldve sat with, but they chose to come to the back and sit in front of me. and yes even after not sleeping for two days when i couldve gone home and slept i went home right after sacrament and did not sleep that night, as i knew i wouldnt, and still had to do another 12 hour shift the next day for work.
dont tell me this evil doesnt exist, it has always exist. and the bible proves it. and according to verse 23 there are many people that believe its of God. and for me i believe it is all deception.
the godmakers has a testimony of witch entering the temple.
witchcraft is a sin.
sorcery is rebuked by the book of mormon repeatedly
p.s. but after all that! the testimony i have gained from the HOLY Ghost and several ways of revelation and prophecy, my testimony still led me to this church and confirms the doctrines. i dont practice anything that might hurt anyone mentally or cause sleep deprivation. i have prayed to God and raised my hand in priesthood authority and things have happened. so i am just a witness of Jesus. and i am seemingly alone.
the works of the satan in babylon is sorcery see rev 18:4, 23
however to be fair! parley p pratt had a difficulty with something about plural marriage and received the teaching of the "healing craft".
the sign of the zero was first recognized by me (i.e. the OK sign) at priesthood meeting.
and i thought it was for SURE! the sign of the devil. others said it was a party and we' are all coming (i.e. in your mouth).
so when i see people like Oreilgy and Glenn Beck doing it. i know its not of the temple, it has to be of the "world".
but when i read the story of lotts' daughters and how they drugged the wine and connected it to the "wine of fornication" of sorcery, i knew there is something wrong. and when i read verse 4 i know the entire world is deceived as much as the eldest daughter deceived the younger. probably because she was pregnant and wanted to cover it up.
but when i read in the book of acts how the early saints burned their books of secrets (i.e. witchcrafts and sorceries) and the publicly told everyone what these things were, PEOPLE everyway have to KNOW that the chruch of christ does not follow satan in these matters. Even homeopathy is discounted in the old testament. if cafiene is a poison to the body and it is the word of wisdom HOW MUCH MORE are pharmecutical prescription drugs and how much more evil exists when people actually learn to POISON others.
and I swear the last time i went to church in an LDS sacrament, two of the best people in the ward and a stake president sat down in front of me and instantly my mind was poisoned and intoxicated with a poison that is so lethal to the mind that many poisons like it were the cause of me NOT sleeping for for 13 years and still continues to plague me.
these two men had families and pews that they couldve and shouldve sat with, but they chose to come to the back and sit in front of me. and yes even after not sleeping for two days when i couldve gone home and slept i went home right after sacrament and did not sleep that night, as i knew i wouldnt, and still had to do another 12 hour shift the next day for work.
dont tell me this evil doesnt exist, it has always exist. and the bible proves it. and according to verse 23 there are many people that believe its of God. and for me i believe it is all deception.
alexJones conspiracy. truth or Hype and exageration?
i was intrigued by alex jones when i first heard him i think, on coasttocoastam.com.
what he says is happening now, he claims to have been warning about for 15 years. Everyone has their bias.
but the rumors and testimonies on his radio show seem very genuine
i listened to Joel skousen the other night and this guy has a higher education constitutional law and is a very high top security consultant along with having a resume with Pres Reagan.
or you can connect to joel skousens weblink and C2C past shows for more information
the web site is free to look but there is a subscription which i was a subscriber i think for 10 years.
anyway joel and alex both agree, and even Glenn Beck agrees but only in part.
here it is:
that conspiracies exist from the beginning of the history of Adam and EVE till our day through Noah and his son Ham and Egyptus. remember Noah cursed hams sons
,the curse continued with sodom and gormorah through canaan. and from Lotts' daughters through his wife.
conspiracies continue from the same church which is not a church, per se, which is described in Rev 17 and 18:4;23
and though i have always thought the aluminati was
Thursday, May 14, 2009
spiritual experiences testimony PROOF of God
one of my first spiritual experience was when i layed down and stopped breathing. i heard a knock at the door and got up to answer it. the door was open when i walked into the next room and i saw a spirit floating above the ground. i waved the spirit off and went back to lay down.
earlier i prayed with pat robertson to be baptized with the holy spirit. and very shortly after i came home from school and after i did my normal routine, i stopped listening to my rock n roll and layed down for a nap. instantly my room was illuminated by a white light and the presense of a personage. when he leaned over to touch me, I whipped around and the scene vanished. i thought i had missed the rapture so i prayed for forgiveness.
im skipping alot to make this brief.
after that i prayed on my knees to learn how to pray. as soon as i raised up from my knees, i heard a still small voice to turn on the tv, where the preacher was teaching luke 11, about the exact same question the disciples asked christ.
later after i had backslided i desired to obtain forgiveness and while reading 1cor 14 last verse, about obtaining the gift of prophecy, i prayed and fasted and of course received personal revelation and the spirit of revelation to teach me. i saw visions while i was awake too.
after joining the LDS church because of the specific visions and revelations, i also found a promise about receiving the gift of the holy ghost and other things were done too. including having a determination to forsake all lusts. and lo and behold in an out of body experience i beheld MY first vision of Christ. and two follow up vision/dreams happened likewise. and other prayers/questions were answered by the glory of christ.
so !!! if this is not enough to prove to me that there is a God or a saviour or a holy spirit or angels. i dont know what is.
im telling everyone that will listen this is truthfully what happened to me in my life. i have had many other experiences that are torture from human devil worshippers and satanists throughout my whole life as well. their existence proves that evil exists and at least They beleive they want something else which is NOT righteousness and will afflict me often and even hunt me as prey ! or even some have sought to kill me. and truly i have had several other experiences of near death testimony and subsequent re-animation and revival.
earlier i prayed with pat robertson to be baptized with the holy spirit. and very shortly after i came home from school and after i did my normal routine, i stopped listening to my rock n roll and layed down for a nap. instantly my room was illuminated by a white light and the presense of a personage. when he leaned over to touch me, I whipped around and the scene vanished. i thought i had missed the rapture so i prayed for forgiveness.
im skipping alot to make this brief.
after that i prayed on my knees to learn how to pray. as soon as i raised up from my knees, i heard a still small voice to turn on the tv, where the preacher was teaching luke 11, about the exact same question the disciples asked christ.
later after i had backslided i desired to obtain forgiveness and while reading 1cor 14 last verse, about obtaining the gift of prophecy, i prayed and fasted and of course received personal revelation and the spirit of revelation to teach me. i saw visions while i was awake too.
after joining the LDS church because of the specific visions and revelations, i also found a promise about receiving the gift of the holy ghost and other things were done too. including having a determination to forsake all lusts. and lo and behold in an out of body experience i beheld MY first vision of Christ. and two follow up vision/dreams happened likewise. and other prayers/questions were answered by the glory of christ.
so !!! if this is not enough to prove to me that there is a God or a saviour or a holy spirit or angels. i dont know what is.
im telling everyone that will listen this is truthfully what happened to me in my life. i have had many other experiences that are torture from human devil worshippers and satanists throughout my whole life as well. their existence proves that evil exists and at least They beleive they want something else which is NOT righteousness and will afflict me often and even hunt me as prey ! or even some have sought to kill me. and truly i have had several other experiences of near death testimony and subsequent re-animation and revival.
joel skousen and world war 3 and conspiracy
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
i protest about politicall correctness and spam
in my honest beliefs Nothing i ever post on this blog, is intended to be spam or in my opinion ever is.
everything i have linked to is reference for more details. and usually has meaning alongside with topic and is usually created by myself or by someone i trust.
everything i have linked to is reference for more details. and usually has meaning alongside with topic and is usually created by myself or by someone i trust.
if its in the bible its not hate speech
recently canada launched a law that prohibits religious people from quoting scripture that say in english that God declares sodomy and other perversion of sexual types such as beastiality as "abominations".
in english translations God uses the same word which is trnslated to english several times for
describing OTHER sins and objections from his divine origin.
while some religious people use hate speach against homoseexuals the term is exactly biblical.
and any attempt to makes laws such as hr 256 and 262 is a violation and a "conspiracy" to demonize what the constitution says ia Right given by god to freedom of religion. I think making laws against hate speech that are directed against christianity for quoting bible doctrine that reproves wickedness is HATRED against christians.
and if i could i would call down earthquakes and plagues upon the united in levels higher than now is being recorded.
but who am i? i am a witness of Jesus.
in english translations God uses the same word which is trnslated to english several times for
describing OTHER sins and objections from his divine origin.
while some religious people use hate speach against homoseexuals the term is exactly biblical.
and any attempt to makes laws such as hr 256 and 262 is a violation and a "conspiracy" to demonize what the constitution says ia Right given by god to freedom of religion. I think making laws against hate speech that are directed against christianity for quoting bible doctrine that reproves wickedness is HATRED against christians.
and if i could i would call down earthquakes and plagues upon the united in levels higher than now is being recorded.
but who am i? i am a witness of Jesus.
jesus was married Cont.
in the gosple of 12 appostles there is actually a woman named as the wife of jesus, here name is miriam. Glenn kimball compiled this "Tibetan" new testament and i thank him for it.
in the link above there is a web page to the 1880 manuscript. or translation if anyone is interested.
i have believed that jesus was married since i first began understanding the link to the bridegroom at the marriage of cana. even though Jim Hanlon declared he didnt believe in it. I thought i had just had a revelation while reading the verses.
then i purchased several other books or manuscripts from his website i think it was in 2003 or 2004 but only recently i found it again. because i had to pack up all my stuff and move it to storage.
any with much more time to spare i began reading it in church parking lot. and i was intrigued about the INTRO so i posted it on skydrive for my group to look. I found that there were indeed missing bible verses from the 4 gospels. and it doesnt surprise me any more.
there are indeed some Different traditions mixxed in with the verses too as well. for instance jesus is called Son-daughter and God is called Father-Mother. i dont believe at all this tradition is true. but nevertheless the contemporary movement exists and people do beleive it and on yahoo i did find a jewish person or so i think, that says this tradition goes back to the book of genesis when Gods were called male and female. the reason i debunk this part of the Essene type manuscript is that God made ADAM first in his imgage and likeness and form. AND after the he made EVE from Adams rib and then there were those that were called goddess in the form of females.
i cross reference that to pauls words: there may be gods many in heaven and in earth (speaking of idols) but to us there is only one God and there are three that rule/reign in heaven The father the son and the holy ghost each have life individually and separate.
well anyway check out the new stuff and the links
and god bless.
if you find an interesting interveiw and want to discuss just post away. i also have a religious group for more detailed religious discussions.
im listening to last night interveiw with JOEL and already i found an interesting edit about the bail outs.
in the link above there is a web page to the 1880 manuscript. or translation if anyone is interested.
i have believed that jesus was married since i first began understanding the link to the bridegroom at the marriage of cana. even though Jim Hanlon declared he didnt believe in it. I thought i had just had a revelation while reading the verses.
then i purchased several other books or manuscripts from his website i think it was in 2003 or 2004 but only recently i found it again. because i had to pack up all my stuff and move it to storage.
any with much more time to spare i began reading it in church parking lot. and i was intrigued about the INTRO so i posted it on skydrive for my group to look. I found that there were indeed missing bible verses from the 4 gospels. and it doesnt surprise me any more.
there are indeed some Different traditions mixxed in with the verses too as well. for instance jesus is called Son-daughter and God is called Father-Mother. i dont believe at all this tradition is true. but nevertheless the contemporary movement exists and people do beleive it and on yahoo i did find a jewish person or so i think, that says this tradition goes back to the book of genesis when Gods were called male and female. the reason i debunk this part of the Essene type manuscript is that God made ADAM first in his imgage and likeness and form. AND after the he made EVE from Adams rib and then there were those that were called goddess in the form of females.
i cross reference that to pauls words: there may be gods many in heaven and in earth (speaking of idols) but to us there is only one God and there are three that rule/reign in heaven The father the son and the holy ghost each have life individually and separate.
well anyway check out the new stuff and the links
and god bless.
if you find an interesting interveiw and want to discuss just post away. i also have a religious group for more detailed religious discussions.
im listening to last night interveiw with JOEL and already i found an interesting edit about the bail outs.
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
वहत वुड यू दो इफ सोमोने सैद गे इस ओके, होमोसेक्सुँलिटी!
22 aThou• shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is babomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 aDefile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are bdefiled which I ccast out before you:
25 And the aland is bdefiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore akeep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these aabominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28 That the aland spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 aDefile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are bdefiled which I ccast out before you:
25 And the aland is bdefiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore akeep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these aabominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28 That the aland spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
Thursday, May 7, 2009
12apostlesGospelIntro Can anyone believe this at all?
The Gospel of the Twelve Apostles compiled by Glenn kimball translated by the Rev. Gideon Jasper Richard Ousley 1892
There are many compilations of the acts of jesus and His apostles collected and preserved in a variety of locations around the ancient world. this one in particular is of interest because it was originally written in aramaic and preserved by a faction of hte ealiest Essene communities in a Buddhist onastery. they chose Tibet because of the safety of the monasteries after the death of christ. It was also safe from the ravages of the Nicene Council under Constantine.
The Essene Flavor is evident from the "gegetarian" emphasis. However, that should ott be a sever conflict with the rest of the christianity.
The wonderful aspect of this particulare text is that it is greatly expanded from any version of the New Testament stories commonly available. We should celebrated that these versions survive in our day.
An Irish Clergyman, Rev. G.J. Ouseley claims to have discovered the original gospel from which th epresent Four Gosples were dreived, which he says was "preserved in one of the bhuddhist monasteris in tibet, where it was hidden by some of hte Essene Community for safety from th ehans of the Corrupters, and is now for the first time translated from the Aramaic."
This statement was made by Rev.Ouselyey in a preface to his publication of theis gospel, in a book entitled, "Gosepl of the Holy Twelve". E.F.Udny, in an introduction to this work, writes: "At the time of the Corruption of the Gospels, the epistles and Revelation were presumably already in existence, and if the Gospels were tampered with, so no doubt was the rest of the new Testament, whic is now equally destitutes of the teachings removed from the Gospels. It may well be that uncorrupted copies of the Epistles and Revelation were similarly sent by the Essenes to the safety of a Buddhist monastery, and that, when the world has assimilated to the New Gospel, those, too may be given us."
Rev. Ousely claims that he received a transcription of the original Gospel from a Buddhist monastery in tibet where it is preserved. Rev.Ouseley writes: "the early chritian fathers did well their work of destroying the sources and records from which they gathered the information and data put by them in the Bible. But they failed to destroy it all. some escaped , and as it is discovered here and there by patient research workers, it is astonishing to seee how the world has been deceived by the Christian Fathers."
We have referred elsewhere to the "corruptors" who were hired by the church fathers at the council of Nicea to alter the original text of the Gospel, leaving out their doctrines that were obnoxioius to their emperor, Constantine, whome they desired to convert to Christianity, which he opposed. Chief among these objectionable doctrines were the prohibition against the use of flesh meat and alchohol, and the recommendation of kindness to animals, all of which contituted the fundamental doctrines of hte teachings of Christ. On this point Udny writes: "The great significance of the corruption of hte Text lies rather in the nature of the matter struct out by the 'corrector' than in the amount. It is evident that the 'correctors' and those appointed them were at least unwilling to denounce their beef and beer, a convenient allitaration for flesh and alchohol."
In the original Sanscrit and Aramaic gospel, the duty of abstaining from meat and wine were emphasized, while in the later versions, itwas omitted. Since those who founded the Christian Church, like their emperor, Constantine, were meat eaters and drinkers of wine, anturally they were opposed to these doctrines, who acceptance would involve a reveolutionary tranformation fo their living habits, they interpretedt ehf irst promise to mean, "Thou shalt no kill". Implying that the commandment applied only to humans and that hte slaughgter of animals was not killing.
The original Gospel, representing the teachings of Christ, the Lord of Love, taught harmlessness and compassion to all living beigs, including both animals and humans. For reasons above stated, the Roman Churchmen at Nicea opposed these doctrines and eliminated them from the Gospels, which they radically changed so as to be acceptable to Constantine, who loved the red meats and flwowing wine of his midnight feasts too much to accept a religion that prohitbited these pleasures, which was a main reason why he so bitterly persecuted the early christians who advocated these doctines. For this reson the church Fathers changed the Gospel in such a way th atLove and Compassion were limited only to human beings but th e animal expression of life were excluded from receiving these benefits. But the saviour of hte Original Gospel, as Christ were represented to be, was a redeemer of the animal world, as he was of men, seeking to alleviate the sufferings of all living beings.
"The all pitying love of Our Saviour embraces not only mankind, but also the so-calledlower creaturs of God, sharers withus of the one breath of life, and with us on the road of ascent to that which is higher. never has the providence with which the All-mMerciful watches over mand and beast alike been more impressivelybrought home to us than in the saying of the Saviour, "Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, but not one of them is forgotten by God'. How were it possible to doubt that the saviour would have pity and compassion on the creatures who must bear their pain in silence? Would it not seem a blasphemy if it were said that He would behold without pity or succor the ill-treatment of helpless animals? nay, rather, when he brought redemption to a world sunk in selfishness, hard heartedness and misery, and proclaimed the gospel of all embracing love, there was a share in ths redemption for all suffering creatures; since when man opened his heart to the divine love, there could be no room left in it for pitiless harness twoard the other creatures of God, who have, like himself, been called into life with a capacity for enjoyment and suffering.
'The who bear the mark of the Redeemer practice His all pitying love; an dhow little it is that the minimum of compassion for helpless creatures demand of us; Only not to inflict on them torture; to help them when they are in trouble, or when they appeal to us for succor, and if of necessity we take their life, to let it be a speedy death with the least pain- gentle sleep. But, alas, how little we are penetrated with these divine lessons of mercy and compassion. How many grievous tortures are penetrated with these divine lessons of mercy and compassion. how many grieveous tortures are inflicted on the, under the pretense of science, or to gratify an unnatural appetite, or curel lusts, of the promptings of vanity!"
We shall now present the Original Gospel claimed by Rev. Ouseley to have been preserved since the early centuries of our era in a Buddhist monastery in Tibet, which expounds the doctrines of christ on universal compassion, vegetarianism and kindness to animals (involving abolition of animal sacrifices). Of which teachings the barbarous practice of animal sacrifices, which was recomened by the Old Testament, a book accepted as holy and divinely inspired by both the jews and Christians, was abolished and rejected by the new Christian chruch, so that it never played a part in Christianity as it did in original Judaism.
After the Couhncil of Nicea, when this gospel was changed to suit Constantine, as well as converted in to Four Gospels, "jesus Christ" while his humane, vegetarian and pacifistic doctrines were largely eliminated and replaed by a false supernaturalism.
Rev. G.J. Ouselyey
In 1881 an english misniters, Rev. G.J. OUsely, got hold of a hitherto unknown, not rewritten evegelical text. This uncorrupted text has century after centruy been secured from all falsification in a buddistic monastary in tibet, since the day a man has hidden it there, a man of the Essene society. Ouseley translated the arameic text and gave it the name The Gospel of hte HOLY Twelve. It has later been translated into German.
During the last century also many old fragments of hte gospel have come into light. Some of them have been found in old libraries and other from excvations. These framents are called Logins or Agraphas. They are older than and more original than the canonized gospels. Their grate value is due to the fact that they are uncorrupted. The curious thing is, however, that many parts of these fragments mostly agree, word for word, with the Gospel of Ouseley, though they are completely missing in the canoncial gospels.
The Hungarian physicician, Prof. edmond Szekely, found some ten years ago an evangelical text in the royal library in Wien, written in old Slavonian language; he copied it. Later he found the original to the old slavonian translation in the Fatican Library. the original, that was translated int the Slavonian language, was written in Aramaic, Szekely in 1937 published the parts which deal with the health of the human body, about 1/8th of the text. His pamphlet was published in german under the name of Heliand.
End.
http://members.tripod.com/jrbrooks/The_Rev_G_J_R_Ouseley.htm
There are many things which I have to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit the Spirit of Truth whom I will send unto you from above, shall guide you into all truth, and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you from above, shall guide you into all truth, and bring all things to your rememberance whatsoever I have said unto you."
"after my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withohold, bu the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with helaing in his wings."
"I am the Way, the Truth, the life. The doctrine which I teach is that which I am. I am IT and IT is I."
"There are also many things which jesus did, the which if they should be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that should be written" --S, John {A.V}
"In dreams and visions of the night when deep sleep falleth upon men, then doeth the All wise open their ears and sent to them instructions." Book of Job.
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public7/hiddenstoriesJesuschildhood%20page89.txt
hidden stories of jesus pg89 pt2
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public7/Gospelofthe12ApostlesIntro.txt
skydrive text
There are many compilations of the acts of jesus and His apostles collected and preserved in a variety of locations around the ancient world. this one in particular is of interest because it was originally written in aramaic and preserved by a faction of hte ealiest Essene communities in a Buddhist onastery. they chose Tibet because of the safety of the monasteries after the death of christ. It was also safe from the ravages of the Nicene Council under Constantine.
The Essene Flavor is evident from the "gegetarian" emphasis. However, that should ott be a sever conflict with the rest of the christianity.
The wonderful aspect of this particulare text is that it is greatly expanded from any version of the New Testament stories commonly available. We should celebrated that these versions survive in our day.
An Irish Clergyman, Rev. G.J. Ouseley claims to have discovered the original gospel from which th epresent Four Gosples were dreived, which he says was "preserved in one of the bhuddhist monasteris in tibet, where it was hidden by some of hte Essene Community for safety from th ehans of the Corrupters, and is now for the first time translated from the Aramaic."
This statement was made by Rev.Ouselyey in a preface to his publication of theis gospel, in a book entitled, "Gosepl of the Holy Twelve". E.F.Udny, in an introduction to this work, writes: "At the time of the Corruption of the Gospels, the epistles and Revelation were presumably already in existence, and if the Gospels were tampered with, so no doubt was the rest of the new Testament, whic is now equally destitutes of the teachings removed from the Gospels. It may well be that uncorrupted copies of the Epistles and Revelation were similarly sent by the Essenes to the safety of a Buddhist monastery, and that, when the world has assimilated to the New Gospel, those, too may be given us."
Rev. Ousely claims that he received a transcription of the original Gospel from a Buddhist monastery in tibet where it is preserved. Rev.Ouseley writes: "the early chritian fathers did well their work of destroying the sources and records from which they gathered the information and data put by them in the Bible. But they failed to destroy it all. some escaped , and as it is discovered here and there by patient research workers, it is astonishing to seee how the world has been deceived by the Christian Fathers."
We have referred elsewhere to the "corruptors" who were hired by the church fathers at the council of Nicea to alter the original text of the Gospel, leaving out their doctrines that were obnoxioius to their emperor, Constantine, whome they desired to convert to Christianity, which he opposed. Chief among these objectionable doctrines were the prohibition against the use of flesh meat and alchohol, and the recommendation of kindness to animals, all of which contituted the fundamental doctrines of hte teachings of Christ. On this point Udny writes: "The great significance of the corruption of hte Text lies rather in the nature of the matter struct out by the 'corrector' than in the amount. It is evident that the 'correctors' and those appointed them were at least unwilling to denounce their beef and beer, a convenient allitaration for flesh and alchohol."
In the original Sanscrit and Aramaic gospel, the duty of abstaining from meat and wine were emphasized, while in the later versions, itwas omitted. Since those who founded the Christian Church, like their emperor, Constantine, were meat eaters and drinkers of wine, anturally they were opposed to these doctrines, who acceptance would involve a reveolutionary tranformation fo their living habits, they interpretedt ehf irst promise to mean, "Thou shalt no kill". Implying that the commandment applied only to humans and that hte slaughgter of animals was not killing.
The original Gospel, representing the teachings of Christ, the Lord of Love, taught harmlessness and compassion to all living beigs, including both animals and humans. For reasons above stated, the Roman Churchmen at Nicea opposed these doctrines and eliminated them from the Gospels, which they radically changed so as to be acceptable to Constantine, who loved the red meats and flwowing wine of his midnight feasts too much to accept a religion that prohitbited these pleasures, which was a main reason why he so bitterly persecuted the early christians who advocated these doctines. For this reson the church Fathers changed the Gospel in such a way th atLove and Compassion were limited only to human beings but th e animal expression of life were excluded from receiving these benefits. But the saviour of hte Original Gospel, as Christ were represented to be, was a redeemer of the animal world, as he was of men, seeking to alleviate the sufferings of all living beings.
"The all pitying love of Our Saviour embraces not only mankind, but also the so-calledlower creaturs of God, sharers withus of the one breath of life, and with us on the road of ascent to that which is higher. never has the providence with which the All-mMerciful watches over mand and beast alike been more impressivelybrought home to us than in the saying of the Saviour, "Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, but not one of them is forgotten by God'. How were it possible to doubt that the saviour would have pity and compassion on the creatures who must bear their pain in silence? Would it not seem a blasphemy if it were said that He would behold without pity or succor the ill-treatment of helpless animals? nay, rather, when he brought redemption to a world sunk in selfishness, hard heartedness and misery, and proclaimed the gospel of all embracing love, there was a share in ths redemption for all suffering creatures; since when man opened his heart to the divine love, there could be no room left in it for pitiless harness twoard the other creatures of God, who have, like himself, been called into life with a capacity for enjoyment and suffering.
'The who bear the mark of the Redeemer practice His all pitying love; an dhow little it is that the minimum of compassion for helpless creatures demand of us; Only not to inflict on them torture; to help them when they are in trouble, or when they appeal to us for succor, and if of necessity we take their life, to let it be a speedy death with the least pain- gentle sleep. But, alas, how little we are penetrated with these divine lessons of mercy and compassion. How many grievous tortures are penetrated with these divine lessons of mercy and compassion. how many grieveous tortures are inflicted on the, under the pretense of science, or to gratify an unnatural appetite, or curel lusts, of the promptings of vanity!"
We shall now present the Original Gospel claimed by Rev. Ouseley to have been preserved since the early centuries of our era in a Buddhist monastery in Tibet, which expounds the doctrines of christ on universal compassion, vegetarianism and kindness to animals (involving abolition of animal sacrifices). Of which teachings the barbarous practice of animal sacrifices, which was recomened by the Old Testament, a book accepted as holy and divinely inspired by both the jews and Christians, was abolished and rejected by the new Christian chruch, so that it never played a part in Christianity as it did in original Judaism.
After the Couhncil of Nicea, when this gospel was changed to suit Constantine, as well as converted in to Four Gospels, "jesus Christ" while his humane, vegetarian and pacifistic doctrines were largely eliminated and replaed by a false supernaturalism.
Rev. G.J. Ouselyey
In 1881 an english misniters, Rev. G.J. OUsely, got hold of a hitherto unknown, not rewritten evegelical text. This uncorrupted text has century after centruy been secured from all falsification in a buddistic monastary in tibet, since the day a man has hidden it there, a man of the Essene society. Ouseley translated the arameic text and gave it the name The Gospel of hte HOLY Twelve. It has later been translated into German.
During the last century also many old fragments of hte gospel have come into light. Some of them have been found in old libraries and other from excvations. These framents are called Logins or Agraphas. They are older than and more original than the canonized gospels. Their grate value is due to the fact that they are uncorrupted. The curious thing is, however, that many parts of these fragments mostly agree, word for word, with the Gospel of Ouseley, though they are completely missing in the canoncial gospels.
The Hungarian physicician, Prof. edmond Szekely, found some ten years ago an evangelical text in the royal library in Wien, written in old Slavonian language; he copied it. Later he found the original to the old slavonian translation in the Fatican Library. the original, that was translated int the Slavonian language, was written in Aramaic, Szekely in 1937 published the parts which deal with the health of the human body, about 1/8th of the text. His pamphlet was published in german under the name of Heliand.
End.
http://members.tripod.com/jrbrooks/The_Rev_G_J_R_Ouseley.htm
There are many things which I have to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit the Spirit of Truth whom I will send unto you from above, shall guide you into all truth, and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you from above, shall guide you into all truth, and bring all things to your rememberance whatsoever I have said unto you."
"after my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withohold, bu the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with helaing in his wings."
"I am the Way, the Truth, the life. The doctrine which I teach is that which I am. I am IT and IT is I."
"There are also many things which jesus did, the which if they should be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that should be written" --S, John {A.V}
"In dreams and visions of the night when deep sleep falleth upon men, then doeth the All wise open their ears and sent to them instructions." Book of Job.
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public7/hiddenstoriesJesuschildhood%20page89.txt
hidden stories of jesus pg89 pt2
http://cid-fff19b48ee821aa4.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public7/Gospelofthe12ApostlesIntro.txt
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