jesus rebuked Peter calling him SATAN

Jesus also said upon this Rock will i build the kingdom and the gates of hell shall not prevail

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Did jesus found the catholic church...i have a bible verse?
ok. so FIRST off, jesus chose 12 apostles, and peter as the 'head'

person he told him in Matthew 16:18 - 19: "and so i say to you, you are

Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church, and the gates of the

netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to

the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in

heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

so the 12 apostles were suppose to spread the word of God and they

needed more people to do that too, so they appointed bishops and

priests....well. the catholic church has popes and the first one was

peter and through matthew 16:18-19 with jesus saying MY church and

giving peter the keys to his kingdom...shouldn't it be said that Jesus

founded the catholic church. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! listen.

CATHOLIC is just a name....a WORD. JUST because it isn't IN the Bible

doesn't mean it is not true. catholics gave names to the definitions

that didn't have a name to belong to it. btw purgatory isn't in the

bible BUT it is mentioned figuratively through many verses, catholics

just put a NAME to it.

Sorry for all the caps, but i wanted to get my point across. somewhere.

Please give answers that had some thought to it.



i dont think the catholic church was EVEN begun with PETER.
in protestant bibles there are verses that are missing in the NiV
jesus turned to Peter and rebuked him: saying Satan you do not desire

what the will of God is.
Mark 8: 33
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he

rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not

the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

that said: if there is a remote FACT that Peter did become the first

POPE, which i highly doubt, by the 8th and 9th the catholic church

defaulted on the commandment of God to Marry and made priests to become

Celibate. before those dates celibacy was not the RULE it was the

exception.

and if you dont accept this, there were two rivalrys between families

that practiced poisoning among themselve and 2 popes that were actually

excommunicated.
so the verses in Galatian 1:6-9 actually does pertain to the catholics

just as much as it does to protestants.

if Mark 8:33 is true, and Jesus turned to peter but was speaking to

satan! does this mean Peter was posessed
if he was literally rebuking Peter, it would also be symbolic of

rebuking the entire catholic church for following the Things That MEN

LOVE, more than the thigns of God.

to be fair, i have been taught that this verse 8:33 doesnt exist in

original documents.
but if it didnt "exist" in the first place it proves that scriptures

have been altered in the 2nd place.
somewhere in history Someone is lying and altering text. and did not

jesus say scriptures cannot be broken. ?


other people answered:
Catholicism is not Christian. Catholicism leads to eternal torment in

hell, because catholicism teaches works for salvation, and that is a

false gospel of works (Galatians 1:6-9) that is against JESUS'S free

gift of salvation!

And catholicism will not give you a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus,

which is what JESUS wants with you!

So, you need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in JESUS

for His free gift of salvation!

It's clear from the Book of Acts in the Bible that catholics didn't even

exist during the days of Acts. Catholicism didn't exist for over 300

years after Jesus. And catholicism didn't exist for over 200 years after

the Bible was complete and compiled. Those in the Book of Acts are the

first Christians, and they believed what would be called fundamentalist

doctrine today. ANYONE can read the Book of Acts for themselves and see.

Had catholicism existed during the time of Acts, the first Christians

would have rejected catholicism completely.

And there is no "pope" in the Bible. Every "pope" is a false prophet.

Also there's TONS of Christians who also completely rejected

catholicism, long before Martin Luther was even born. Catholicism

murdered millions and millions of Christians. :*(

So not only is it wrong for anyone to say that "catholics were the first

Christians", but this blows away the catholic claim that "no churches

existed other than the catholic church, until Martin Luther".

There were ALWAYS saved believers outside the catholic cult, who knew

catholicism cannot save anyone.

Catholicism cannot save. Only believing in Jesus for His free gift of

salvation, is what saves!

So, catholics need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in

JESUS for His free gift of salvation!

Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much! :D And the Trinity is

true!

The truth about Jesus is that the only way to be saved and to get into

heaven and avoid being sent to hell, is by believing in Jesus for His

free gift of salvation, believing in faith alone that Jesus, who is God,

died on the cross for all our sins as FULL PAYMENT for all our sins, and

then Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe in Jesus

for His free gift of salvation, and you will be in heaven, no matter

what!

Salvation is a FREE GIFT that happens in a split second when you believe

in Jesus alone to save you! It is impossible to lose or "leave"

salvation (John 6:39-40, John 10:28, 1 John 5:13).

Please pray now: "Jesus, I believe that You died on the cross to pay for

my sins and that You rose from the dead, and I thank You for eternal

life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die! :D
14 minutes ago


No. Catholicism is false. The rock is Jesus.

Catholicism isn't Christian. They worship the pope when they should be

worshiping Jesus, man made rules, teach works for salvation, added books

to the Bible, worship statues and loads of other idolatry. It can't

save. Only Jesus can. Please pray a sincere prayer with all of your

heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His

blood pays off all of your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life.

I pray that God blesses you with peace. Amen.
14 minutes ago

Yes check out John Martinogni at

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php I think you will like his

stuff especially Which Came First, the Church or the Bible? at

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/download
13 minutes ago


The "Rock" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is the faith in Jesus

Christ as Lord and Savior. It is not Peter himself but rather what peter

believed about Jesus that was the rock Jesus described.

I'm sorry you are confused. But I hope you figure it out soon.
12 minutes ago

no, the Rock is Jesus. The Church is not built on the apostles, but

Jesus.

Jesus also called Peter "Satan".

The word "catholic" meant universal. Ironically, the Catholic church was

the first non denominational fellowship. These days it is the most

denominational.
11 minutes ago

no, it was founded by the roman empire more than 300 years after Jesus

death.
It would be like a government in the year 2310 starting a religion based

on the life of Barack Obama and claiming that he was the one who started

the religion.

Apparently some historians see it as attempt to stop the roman empire

disintegrating.
10 minutes ago

Peter wasn't the ''lead'' apostle

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Petros)
, and upon this rock (petra)
I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against

it.

two different 'rocks'


you need to read about the history of the catholic church
9 minutes ago

Jesus never gave any authority to written Scripture but instead to His

Church who in turn wrote Scripture to be interpreted within His Church

under the authority given by Him. St. Paul confirms this authority of

the Church through apostolic succession when He instructed to hold fast

what was taught by Word (oral) and letter (written). The Church does not

have the authority to relinquish that which God has given regardless of

the burden of protecting the Church. The Scriptures promise that this

Church is the “bulwark and ground of the truth” and that promise will

forever remain true.

The Church was also given the authority to come to clearer understanding

of the truth in the living Church but such understanding should not take

away from the teaching of the apostles but illuminate it. The authority

given to the Church is great Jesus saying that the Church has the

authority to bind and loose and again the Church is powerless to

abdicate this divine responsibility. Some may say the Scriptures are

true because of the truth they reveal in prophetic testimony and I say

that the Church is true because of its testimony as an enduring Church

for 2000 years just as Christ promised. The only high court of appeal is

our founder, high priest and Savior Jesus the Christ who has never

failed His Church, this relationship no book can supplant for it is

through Him that the Church derives its holiness and its veracity and

its immortality.

One cannot deny that the foundation of all Christianity through His

Church is based on Christ’s words to St. Peter before the disciples.

There is no doubt from the construction vernacular that Jesus was

instructing them to build a Church with them as the foundation stones

and Himself as the cornerstone. He built no other Church as no other was

needed because the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic, Church derives its

perfection from Him through His promises. He prayed that we all be one

within this Church. He said this Church would endure until the Parousia.

He said of this Church that the gates of hell would not prevail against

it. He said that He would be with this Church until the end of time. The

Scriptures confirms these promises saying that this Church is the

“pillar and ground of the truth”. He did not plan for the Church to be

without leadership after the apostles died but provided that they choose

successors to replace them in the enduring Church. This is confirmed it

the book of Acts.

One can suggest that this Church is not the Church that Christ gave

these promises and authority to but who else can support a claim that

they are the true church represented by these promises if not the

Catholic church. Some will suggest that the true church is the Gnostics

or the Arians? Certainly remnants of those churches remain in modern

incarnations of these heresies but can one claim the enduring

characteristic promised by Christ? There is certainly no evidence that

anyone can make a legitimate claim to Christ’s promises other than the

Catholic Church. Some critics may claim that the reason that the

Catholic Church has endured is because of political connections, but the

truth is that it has endured because of the miracles of our Lord who

persuaded a Pagan emperor to stop his persecution of the Church and not

by some agreement of men. It is hard to persuade someone who is intent

on your annihilation. Only God could convict the heart of the Pagan

Emperor Constantine.

I would agree that there have always been those believers known to God

who will be saved and I agree but I do not agree that those people are

outside of His Church nor do I believe that it is possible for salvation

without His Church but that it is possible only through his Church,

Although I acknowledge, as does the Church, that this union may be

imperfect, as with our separated brethren with different degrees of the

fullness of truth which is perfected in His Church. All believers are

taught by God through His Church.

While St. Paul spoke about the great apostasy, is it possible that he

was speaking of the apostasy of the enduring Church that He created.

Would not that apostate element be more described in the churches

proceeding from the Reformation? Does the Bible not teach that we will

know them by their fruits? It does and what are the fruits of the

Reformation.

Reducing the Word of God to a book and confusing the truth with tens of

thousands of exponentially increasing schisms in the dilution of the

truth. Did not Christ pray that we all be one in His Church?

By forbidding the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ from

Protestant worship.

Reducing salvation to a one time assent to faith and then teaching

antinomianism.

Rejecting the authority Christ established.

These are just a few of the signs of a church in apostasy as represented

by the Protestant churches. Could there be a better example of decay and

perversion.

We can all agree as Christians that only God knows who are His faithful

but do not let us confuse the facts of His teaching that we are to be

one in the Church that He created. There is the Church that is gathered

around the Bishop as the early Church is described by St. Ignatius and

then there is the Church known only to God made up of those whose heart

is pure in their love and devotion to God. But regardless they all will

be saved by that which is promised to endure which is His Church. We can

only pray that he will be merciful to the apostate and that they find

the truth before it is too late.

In Christ
Fr. Joseph
6 minutes ago

What Jesus did not say, however, was that St. Peter's successors would

take his place as head of the church. And even if you believe they

would, there's no definitive way to state who Peter's successors would

be. There is no evidence in scripture that he was ever Bishop of Rome,

or that if he was that it would automatically imply that the next Bishop

of Rome would be his successor.

In fact, if you know your church history, the doctrine of Papal

Supremacy didn't arise for several hundred years. And when it did it

caused such a fuss that the official church of the day finally split

into what we now call "The Roman Catholic Church" and the "Eastern

Orthodox Church".

The verse you quote has been interpreted in many ways. By itself, I do

not think it can establish the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.
1 minute ago

sorry but the catholic church is in the bible



Many people argue that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by

Jesus Christ beginning with Peter and the Apostles. One argument often

made is that the phrase “Catholic Church” does not appear within the

pages of Scripture.

Aside from the fact that this argument is weak since the words “trinity”

and “Bible” are not contained in Holy Writ either, is it really true

that the Catholic Church is not named in the Bible? Well, take a look at

the following verse from the Acts of the Apostles, and decide for

yourself:

Acts 9:31 (Greek)
ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας

ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη

παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.

Act 9:31 (Transliteration)
aye men oon ekklaysiaye kath olays tays ioodayeas kaye galilayeas kaye

samarayas aycon ayraynayn oikodomoomenaye kaye poryoomenaye tow fobow

too kurioo kaye tay paraklaysay too agioo pnyoomatos eplaythunonto

(http://www.russ.org/gtb/luke.html#a9)

Acts 9:31
So the Church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and

was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of

the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.



From this text, we can see the Greek word “kath olays” which is rendered

“Catholic” in modern English and the word “ekklaysiaye” which becomes

“ecclesia” in English and is commonly translated as “church”.

εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης = ekklaysiaye kath olays = “the church throughout

all” = Catholic Church
Source(s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwK…
10 minutes ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwKnc


i believe Jesus was talking about Revelation, which is a different Rock to have a sure word of prophecy to build a foundation of a church.

More Toast Artists Jesus Face

Ted Sheckle asked this on YQ:
Do you want to see the true face of Jesus?

the picture of jesus on toast by the side of Mary on toast

http://mikesplace.freeserverhost.com/Gallimaufry/VirginMaryGrilledCheese/Jesus%20Christ%20Toast%20+%20Virgin%20Mary%20Grilled%20Cheese%20photo.jpg

It has to be real! There's no way this could be a hoax. This is proof god exists.



Rofl, but NOT true

there a couple things which i could comment on this.

first i was very interested in the first piece of toast being sold on EBAY as a work of art.
then i saw a news clip somewhere that an artist can easily pre paint the butter or margine onto bread and then the picture appears on the toast.

so i wont believe anything that comes from burning toast. unless an angel says to do it.

also, there are more insidious things than these

recently i had a dream where i spoke on YQ R&S and described seeing the face of a man who had a "scar" over his left eye. i wondered if i had actually seen the real face of Jesus. Last week i realized out of the blue, that men who have scars over the left eye are more likely to have pierced their own eye.
so, it makes more sense to conclude it was not the face of jesus that i saw but the lover of a woman who in the first half of the dream was asking for something, she having an existence that looked like paradise. but he having the power to OVERsee her condition and enough to show me the dream.
dreams become even MORE hideous when they have the appearance of an angel or of tthe direct contradictory appearances of jesus.
Jesus doesnt change, since his resurrection, his face has not changed despite what the bible says about the two disciples.
the bible also says there were two (false) witnesses.

then you have modern technology, which can invade dreams !
and then you have the technology that can created advertisements to infiltrate the dreams stages.
then you have the Obercromb files and the blue beam project

plus if you have Alien life and alien technology in the hands of Anarchists Criminal felons that despise the community of God YOU also have false religions based on imagination rather than the true prophecies of God

even after that there is the known mind control of manchurian candidates and sorceries and false visions existing throughout all history.

its all insidious,

but after all is said and done, no matter what is found to be counterfeit, there is A GOD and the Father has given ALL authority to His Son and the throne and glory of judgment mercy.

let it be known I am a witness, even in my sins, i have found mercy. i know the false, and i know the true. i have experiences that defy the carnal mind, so much that carnal men have devised Laws of the land to make all patriots and christians alike to be enemies of the state.

this is what you are doing by debunking the existence of God, you become the participant with muderers and will be judged like a murderer whether by intent or by deception.

p.s. people like you are the true-type of a terrorists because you start out as mole hill. people like you become filled with a little power and become self destroyed because THEY reject the morality of God and His righteousness.

does the occult remain in the mormon church? is it a cult?

a question to mormons about being a cult and i speak about the occult and the guilt of the saints, which i dont think has been removed the church and i do profess it does exist


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the occult exists within all of them Yes.
cultic traditions exist in all of christianity. the blind lead the blind everywhere.

in Mormon History there was a band of secret combinations called the Danites.
there are several debatable activities of mormons which can be classified as false. there definitely is some traditions therein which are not the revelations of God.
however, i believe the official scripture cannon is perfect enough to be true more than the teachings of christians because of the nature of the revelations written.

that said:
i can quote D&C scriptures which rebuked the saints of the first generation, with commiting sins. Joseph smith himself said a prayer asking about his brethren and his freinds and had it recorded. He didnt even know if he could trust his own freinds. but he prayed for them nevertheless.
but specifically in section 63, the Lord makes mention of the sins of witchcraft and rebuked them... vs 17 -20 of course in these verse he lists 3 major sins. and one of them is also like unto our modern Pornography.
i dont want to speak evil of the righteous brethren! and i dont want to speak evil of anyone who is walking in the spirit and at least trying to.
but its obvious to me from all the things ive suffered, when it comes to witchcrafts and sorceries people all over the world follow BABLYON and the spirit of her sorceries which deceive the nations. see rev 18:4, 23

verses:
14 There were among you aadulterers and adulteresses; some of whom have turned away from you, and others remain with you that hereafter shall be revealed.
15 Let such beware and repent speedily, lest judgment shall come upon them as a asnare, and their bfolly shall be made manifest, and their works shall follow them in the eyes of the people.
16 And verily I say unto you, as I have said before, he that alooketh on a woman to blust after her, or if any shall commit cadultery in their hearts, they shall not have the dSpirit, but shall deny the faith and shall fear.
17 Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the afearful, and the bunbelieving, and all cliars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the dwhoremonger, and the esorcerer, shall have their part in that flake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the gsecond death.
18 Verily I say, that they shall not have part in the afirst resurrection.
19 And now behold, _ I, the Lord, say unto you that ye are not justified, because these things are among you _.
20 Nevertheless, he that aendureth in faith and doeth my bwill, the same shall overcome, and shall receive an inheritance upon the earth when the day of transfiguration shall come;

my folly was manifest 7 years ago or thereabout when i was having a debate/discussion with my bishop and as i was reading the verse to emphasize the sorceries, the other parts hit me just as quickly and sharp two edged sword.

so i dont knowingly excuse myself but i admit my sins and transgressions.