Jesus also said upon this Rock will i build the kingdom and the gates of hell shall not prevail
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Did jesus found the catholic church...i have a bible verse?
ok. so FIRST off, jesus chose 12 apostles, and peter as the 'head'
person he told him in Matthew 16:18 - 19: "and so i say to you, you are
Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church, and the gates of the
netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to
the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
so the 12 apostles were suppose to spread the word of God and they
needed more people to do that too, so they appointed bishops and
priests....well. the catholic church has popes and the first one was
peter and through matthew 16:18-19 with jesus saying MY church and
giving peter the keys to his kingdom...shouldn't it be said that Jesus
founded the catholic church. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! listen.
CATHOLIC is just a name....a WORD. JUST because it isn't IN the Bible
doesn't mean it is not true. catholics gave names to the definitions
that didn't have a name to belong to it. btw purgatory isn't in the
bible BUT it is mentioned figuratively through many verses, catholics
just put a NAME to it.
Sorry for all the caps, but i wanted to get my point across. somewhere.
Please give answers that had some thought to it.
i dont think the catholic church was EVEN begun with PETER.
in protestant bibles there are verses that are missing in the NiV
jesus turned to Peter and rebuked him: saying Satan you do not desire
what the will of God is.
Mark 8: 33
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he
rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not
the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
that said: if there is a remote FACT that Peter did become the first
POPE, which i highly doubt, by the 8th and 9th the catholic church
defaulted on the commandment of God to Marry and made priests to become
Celibate. before those dates celibacy was not the RULE it was the
exception.
and if you dont accept this, there were two rivalrys between families
that practiced poisoning among themselve and 2 popes that were actually
excommunicated.
so the verses in Galatian 1:6-9 actually does pertain to the catholics
just as much as it does to protestants.
if Mark 8:33 is true, and Jesus turned to peter but was speaking to
satan! does this mean Peter was posessed
if he was literally rebuking Peter, it would also be symbolic of
rebuking the entire catholic church for following the Things That MEN
LOVE, more than the thigns of God.
to be fair, i have been taught that this verse 8:33 doesnt exist in
original documents.
but if it didnt "exist" in the first place it proves that scriptures
have been altered in the 2nd place.
somewhere in history Someone is lying and altering text. and did not
jesus say scriptures cannot be broken. ?
other people answered:
Catholicism is not Christian. Catholicism leads to eternal torment in
hell, because catholicism teaches works for salvation, and that is a
false gospel of works (Galatians 1:6-9) that is against JESUS'S free
gift of salvation!
And catholicism will not give you a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus,
which is what JESUS wants with you!
So, you need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in JESUS
for His free gift of salvation!
It's clear from the Book of Acts in the Bible that catholics didn't even
exist during the days of Acts. Catholicism didn't exist for over 300
years after Jesus. And catholicism didn't exist for over 200 years after
the Bible was complete and compiled. Those in the Book of Acts are the
first Christians, and they believed what would be called fundamentalist
doctrine today. ANYONE can read the Book of Acts for themselves and see.
Had catholicism existed during the time of Acts, the first Christians
would have rejected catholicism completely.
And there is no "pope" in the Bible. Every "pope" is a false prophet.
Also there's TONS of Christians who also completely rejected
catholicism, long before Martin Luther was even born. Catholicism
murdered millions and millions of Christians. :*(
So not only is it wrong for anyone to say that "catholics were the first
Christians", but this blows away the catholic claim that "no churches
existed other than the catholic church, until Martin Luther".
There were ALWAYS saved believers outside the catholic cult, who knew
catholicism cannot save anyone.
Catholicism cannot save. Only believing in Jesus for His free gift of
salvation, is what saves!
So, catholics need to get away from catholicism, and instead, believe in
JESUS for His free gift of salvation!
Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much! :D And the Trinity is
true!
The truth about Jesus is that the only way to be saved and to get into
heaven and avoid being sent to hell, is by believing in Jesus for His
free gift of salvation, believing in faith alone that Jesus, who is God,
died on the cross for all our sins as FULL PAYMENT for all our sins, and
then Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe in Jesus
for His free gift of salvation, and you will be in heaven, no matter
what!
Salvation is a FREE GIFT that happens in a split second when you believe
in Jesus alone to save you! It is impossible to lose or "leave"
salvation (John 6:39-40, John 10:28, 1 John 5:13).
Please pray now: "Jesus, I believe that You died on the cross to pay for
my sins and that You rose from the dead, and I thank You for eternal
life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die! :D
14 minutes ago
No. Catholicism is false. The rock is Jesus.
Catholicism isn't Christian. They worship the pope when they should be
worshiping Jesus, man made rules, teach works for salvation, added books
to the Bible, worship statues and loads of other idolatry. It can't
save. Only Jesus can. Please pray a sincere prayer with all of your
heart admitting to Jesus you are a sinner. Have full faith that His
blood pays off all of your sins and accept His gift of everlasting life.
I pray that God blesses you with peace. Amen.
14 minutes ago
Yes check out John Martinogni at
http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php I think you will like his
stuff especially Which Came First, the Church or the Bible? at
http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/download
13 minutes ago
The "Rock" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is the faith in Jesus
Christ as Lord and Savior. It is not Peter himself but rather what peter
believed about Jesus that was the rock Jesus described.
I'm sorry you are confused. But I hope you figure it out soon.
12 minutes ago
no, the Rock is Jesus. The Church is not built on the apostles, but
Jesus.
Jesus also called Peter "Satan".
The word "catholic" meant universal. Ironically, the Catholic church was
the first non denominational fellowship. These days it is the most
denominational.
11 minutes ago
no, it was founded by the roman empire more than 300 years after Jesus
death.
It would be like a government in the year 2310 starting a religion based
on the life of Barack Obama and claiming that he was the one who started
the religion.
Apparently some historians see it as attempt to stop the roman empire
disintegrating.
10 minutes ago
Peter wasn't the ''lead'' apostle
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Petros)
, and upon this rock (petra)
I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against
it.
two different 'rocks'
you need to read about the history of the catholic church
9 minutes ago
Jesus never gave any authority to written Scripture but instead to His
Church who in turn wrote Scripture to be interpreted within His Church
under the authority given by Him. St. Paul confirms this authority of
the Church through apostolic succession when He instructed to hold fast
what was taught by Word (oral) and letter (written). The Church does not
have the authority to relinquish that which God has given regardless of
the burden of protecting the Church. The Scriptures promise that this
Church is the “bulwark and ground of the truth” and that promise will
forever remain true.
The Church was also given the authority to come to clearer understanding
of the truth in the living Church but such understanding should not take
away from the teaching of the apostles but illuminate it. The authority
given to the Church is great Jesus saying that the Church has the
authority to bind and loose and again the Church is powerless to
abdicate this divine responsibility. Some may say the Scriptures are
true because of the truth they reveal in prophetic testimony and I say
that the Church is true because of its testimony as an enduring Church
for 2000 years just as Christ promised. The only high court of appeal is
our founder, high priest and Savior Jesus the Christ who has never
failed His Church, this relationship no book can supplant for it is
through Him that the Church derives its holiness and its veracity and
its immortality.
One cannot deny that the foundation of all Christianity through His
Church is based on Christ’s words to St. Peter before the disciples.
There is no doubt from the construction vernacular that Jesus was
instructing them to build a Church with them as the foundation stones
and Himself as the cornerstone. He built no other Church as no other was
needed because the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic, Church derives its
perfection from Him through His promises. He prayed that we all be one
within this Church. He said this Church would endure until the Parousia.
He said of this Church that the gates of hell would not prevail against
it. He said that He would be with this Church until the end of time. The
Scriptures confirms these promises saying that this Church is the
“pillar and ground of the truth”. He did not plan for the Church to be
without leadership after the apostles died but provided that they choose
successors to replace them in the enduring Church. This is confirmed it
the book of Acts.
One can suggest that this Church is not the Church that Christ gave
these promises and authority to but who else can support a claim that
they are the true church represented by these promises if not the
Catholic church. Some will suggest that the true church is the Gnostics
or the Arians? Certainly remnants of those churches remain in modern
incarnations of these heresies but can one claim the enduring
characteristic promised by Christ? There is certainly no evidence that
anyone can make a legitimate claim to Christ’s promises other than the
Catholic Church. Some critics may claim that the reason that the
Catholic Church has endured is because of political connections, but the
truth is that it has endured because of the miracles of our Lord who
persuaded a Pagan emperor to stop his persecution of the Church and not
by some agreement of men. It is hard to persuade someone who is intent
on your annihilation. Only God could convict the heart of the Pagan
Emperor Constantine.
I would agree that there have always been those believers known to God
who will be saved and I agree but I do not agree that those people are
outside of His Church nor do I believe that it is possible for salvation
without His Church but that it is possible only through his Church,
Although I acknowledge, as does the Church, that this union may be
imperfect, as with our separated brethren with different degrees of the
fullness of truth which is perfected in His Church. All believers are
taught by God through His Church.
While St. Paul spoke about the great apostasy, is it possible that he
was speaking of the apostasy of the enduring Church that He created.
Would not that apostate element be more described in the churches
proceeding from the Reformation? Does the Bible not teach that we will
know them by their fruits? It does and what are the fruits of the
Reformation.
Reducing the Word of God to a book and confusing the truth with tens of
thousands of exponentially increasing schisms in the dilution of the
truth. Did not Christ pray that we all be one in His Church?
By forbidding the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ from
Protestant worship.
Reducing salvation to a one time assent to faith and then teaching
antinomianism.
Rejecting the authority Christ established.
These are just a few of the signs of a church in apostasy as represented
by the Protestant churches. Could there be a better example of decay and
perversion.
We can all agree as Christians that only God knows who are His faithful
but do not let us confuse the facts of His teaching that we are to be
one in the Church that He created. There is the Church that is gathered
around the Bishop as the early Church is described by St. Ignatius and
then there is the Church known only to God made up of those whose heart
is pure in their love and devotion to God. But regardless they all will
be saved by that which is promised to endure which is His Church. We can
only pray that he will be merciful to the apostate and that they find
the truth before it is too late.
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
6 minutes ago
What Jesus did not say, however, was that St. Peter's successors would
take his place as head of the church. And even if you believe they
would, there's no definitive way to state who Peter's successors would
be. There is no evidence in scripture that he was ever Bishop of Rome,
or that if he was that it would automatically imply that the next Bishop
of Rome would be his successor.
In fact, if you know your church history, the doctrine of Papal
Supremacy didn't arise for several hundred years. And when it did it
caused such a fuss that the official church of the day finally split
into what we now call "The Roman Catholic Church" and the "Eastern
Orthodox Church".
The verse you quote has been interpreted in many ways. By itself, I do
not think it can establish the doctrine of Papal Supremacy.
1 minute ago
sorry but the catholic church is in the bible
Many people argue that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by
Jesus Christ beginning with Peter and the Apostles. One argument often
made is that the phrase “Catholic Church” does not appear within the
pages of Scripture.
Aside from the fact that this argument is weak since the words “trinity”
and “Bible” are not contained in Holy Writ either, is it really true
that the Catholic Church is not named in the Bible? Well, take a look at
the following verse from the Acts of the Apostles, and decide for
yourself:
Acts 9:31 (Greek)
ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας
ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη
παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.
Act 9:31 (Transliteration)
aye men oon ekklaysiaye kath olays tays ioodayeas kaye galilayeas kaye
samarayas aycon ayraynayn oikodomoomenaye kaye poryoomenaye tow fobow
too kurioo kaye tay paraklaysay too agioo pnyoomatos eplaythunonto
(http://www.russ.org/gtb/luke.html#a9)
Acts 9:31
So the Church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and
was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of
the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.
From this text, we can see the Greek word “kath olays” which is rendered
“Catholic” in modern English and the word “ekklaysiaye” which becomes
“ecclesia” in English and is commonly translated as “church”.
εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης = ekklaysiaye kath olays = “the church throughout
all” = Catholic Church
Source(s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwK…
10 minutes ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdNXfbwKnc
i believe Jesus was talking about Revelation, which is a different Rock to have a sure word of prophecy to build a foundation of a church.
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