Tuesday, August 5, 2008

tm rapture vs resurrection new revelation

shazib E asks:What is the rapture??
Argh!! What is the rapture? Gosh ! Oh and don't make it scary please :)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080805180207AAPJIvv&r=w#A4FOPkDFKHXU1Io2BSaP


I reply:

on the one hand it is a 19th century belief that believers will be taken out of the earth before the great tribulation starts.
on the other hand it is a perversion of the doctrines of the resurrection.

there are many verses which christians have compiled which they conclude the rapture means people will disappear one day and that the earth will enter a 7 year period of tribulation,

the rapture might be a series of beliefs erroneously added together to build a hypothetical belief that one day God will destroy the earth and all the people in it except the true believers, he will change them in a twinkling of an eye and they will be spared.

i say erroneously ! because there might not be a thousand people who are like that Enoch and Elijah and mohammed. They are the first 3 known people in the scriptures to have ascended without being resurrected.
However, people dont know about the Saints being resurrected with Christ and are called the first fruitfruits. they are the first resurrection. The bodies of those saints were joined with their spirits and Alive again they came into the holy city and around the world.
it will happen again when God destroys all things that offends and the wicked will be ashes under the feet of the righteous when the meek will inherit the earth.

Matt. 27: 52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

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John 5: 28
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

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Isa. 26: 19
19 Thy dead men shall alive, together with bmy dead body shall they carise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

rgeb529 answered:
Rapture

Definition: The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord “in the air.” The word “rapture” is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word “rapture” does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.

When the apostle Paul said that Christians would be “caught up” to be with the Lord, what subject was being discussed?

1 Thess. 4:13-18, RS: “We would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep [“those who sleep in death,” NE; “those who have died,” TEV, JB], that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” (Evidently some members of the Christian congregation in Thessalonica had died. Paul encouraged the survivors to comfort one another with the resurrection hope. He reminded them that Jesus was resurrected after his death; so, too, at the coming of the Lord, those faithful Christians among them who had died would be raised to be with Christ.)

jacqelinecheugn answered:
Rapture
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGklm4.JhIRksBgJNXNyoA/SIG=120pi5nsv/EXP=1218071096/**http%3a//www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=WbaWdyDipcw
this should help

when i shared this with tm
it came out like this:
[18:29] tailmister: I must admit though, the bible isn't easy to read.
[18:30] GoM2: this should help
[18:30] GoM2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbaWdyDipcw
[18:30] GoM2: lol nm
[18:30] GoM2: its a link to a music video
[18:30] GoM2: from jacqueline
[18:31] GoM2: oh reading the bible is easy to master
[18:31] GoM2: just use a dictionary for the hard words
[18:31] tailmister: right
[18:31] GoM2: but the verse i was speaking of in particular is the Issaiah verse
[18:32] GoM2: Isa. 26: 19
19 Thy dead men shall alive, together with bmy dead body shall they carise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
[18:33] GoM2: the earth shall cast out her dead, easy enought o understand?
[18:33] GoM2: but it also says "together" with my body
[18:33] GoM2: speaking of jesus being resurrected

[18:35] tailmister: interesting
[18:35] GoM2: truly i dont want to be preachy. but you just happened to walk by as i found this verse
[18:36] GoM2: and i was filled with exhileration (?) and i just had to share
[18:36] GoM2: I wont do it again if i have offended you

the prophecy of this verse was fulfilled in the firstfruits of christ.

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