If a man sees a vision of jesus christ does this not prove that some christians believe in false doctrine?
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1 year ago
Abraham declared that God and two angels visited him. Does this prove tha tGod can be seen by men who called the friends of God? abraham believed that it was God and abraham also debated with HIM about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah. The two angels that were with God went to Lott and saved him from the destruction of sodom. God was so real to the scriptures that abraham had Sarah prepare a meal for Them all. A trinity God does not eat food! but i admit that it also says in another place that they were all 3 angels! not God. even still a meal was prepared and angels and God ate the meal.
Later Jesus declared a promise to them that were obedient that God himself would visit a believer and eat dinner with them. He also added the He himself, Jesus, would come alone and eat dinner with those that are His freinds and obedient.
To me this is enough proof that God was present with abraham, and that two of them were angels and one was God.
Later Jesus declared a promise to them that were obedient that God himself would visit a believer and eat dinner with them. He also added the He himself, Jesus, would come alone and eat dinner with those that are His freinds and obedient.
To me this is enough proof that God was present with abraham, and that two of them were angels and one was God.
1 year ago
You said: Yes some christians do believe in false doctrine .. no one can see christ in vision............ its all imagination
I reply: it may be partially coorect, it may be that you believe a false doctrine in speaking these words.
the movie the matrix obviously proved that the mind can be altered. but God has appeared to a few through out history. and Jesus has been alleged to appear to more than 500 people just in the bible alone.
I dont think you know what you are talking about in this aspect. I truly am not without experience in the false imaginations and false halucinations.
but when jesus or an angel truly appears to a person They know it, and cannot deny, but if they do deny it, it is because they believe the words of false teachers.
I reply: it may be partially coorect, it may be that you believe a false doctrine in speaking these words.
the movie the matrix obviously proved that the mind can be altered. but God has appeared to a few through out history. and Jesus has been alleged to appear to more than 500 people just in the bible alone.
I dont think you know what you are talking about in this aspect. I truly am not without experience in the false imaginations and false halucinations.
but when jesus or an angel truly appears to a person They know it, and cannot deny, but if they do deny it, it is because they believe the words of false teachers.
1 year ago
many believe that having a vision is proof of mental illness. but calling abraham a mentally ill person might offend all jews, Prophets that saw visions and heard the voice of God, were Jewish this might alos offend Jews. but if you tell a muslim that mohamed was mentally ill, they might shoot you. or blow you up.
in any extreme calling me mentally ill whether it is intended or not should have all your accounts deleted, it is very offensive to me.
best answer given by: andrew w
jesus said, anything more than yes or no is evil. or something like it is recorded in the bible.
i reply: but not every question can be answered yes or no! because they are evil to being with.
jonnybravo replied:Yes some christians do believe in false doctrine .. no one can see christ in vision............ its all imagination
I reply: I dont think you know what youre TALKING About. imagination needs stimulous and some back ground. to see an angel in your bedroom defies all imagination even if it is satan himself. but to see a vision of christ means it was given from external origin
theirreverend replied:t proves that he is hallucinating like Moses & Paul & Mohamad.
i reply: another abomination answer
Mevlana replied: or that the man is having a psychotic episode or hallucinogenic drug experience?
i reply: another abomination answer. in defense of the gift of visions and prophecy and revelation. being drugged and induced to have a psychotic break happens because wicked men and criminals know how to do it. i confess that there are many times when my mind is drugged and poisoned because of these types of people. They do exist. but i never took any drugs of my own choice. and no man has been able to take away my ability to think rationally. Rage happens in these secret combinations of sorceries and witchcrafts. but for the most part its all the same evil wicked stuff.
the reason you speak of these things. like so many others, in a negative attitude is because of two primary sources of brain washing. either you practice these Sins and criminal acts yourself or you are brainwashed by society and psychology. Pyschology is used as a tool to denounce the existence of a God and explaining all mental illness as either biological or pathological. Evil has an external existence. almost every mental illness is caused by some type of pharmecutical. the very worst is satanic oppression and possession.
Lori K replied: ?????? Odd. Are you seeing visions of jesus christ? If so, it probably proves that you need psychiatric help. I think most Christians would agree with me on that.
i reply: Another abomination either brainwashed by Higher Learning or by her own sins of athiesm. credibility cannot be gauged by higher learning, proving that science First rejects the existence of God and then will not scientifically allow testimony as proof of the existence of God.
roxiecat replied: Can you elaborate on why this would prove belief in false doctrine? It's hard to answer a question that doesn't follow through with the train of thought.
i reply: its hard to answer a question with another question and then when people dont allow email to reply. testimony is a very legal and often abused proof of the existence of murder. false witness is a criminal act too. but when a person says they saw Jesus, i am pretty sure they believe it when it happens. And when athiests and unbeleivers die and experience their near death experience is their witness any less true, or completely True! the blind separate their spirit from their body and see jesus. this is also VERY TRUE. i am not alone in testimony, theirs and mine is proof.
listen to this audio link: http://hrqjrw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pTBt9fmTruZN_gSxPvJT_0cRtp94pWGir1E0JevnjIpVXKPJ0_sDiv_mMGXi76YwEpfw1PF1nGl5zkRsWPR5pEg/003seeingJesusAndtheBlind.wma?download
boomeran replied:No. In fact, it may prove (for the man at least) that some Christians believe in a TRUE doctrine.
nuno replied: can't just say christians....cause many religions have "bad churches" in them. always blame the church, not the book. For each religions book is pretty stable....its the churches that preach it that are unstable.
and no....for even the book says men will have visions and dreams.
RB replied: I don't see the relationship. Saul (Paul) saw Jesus.
ibs replied:How can this proove anything man, how do you know that you see jesus and not someone else. It doenst proove anything may the fact that you are thinking about jesus. Why not actually read some of the things he preaced and see for your self wether it is false or true
welltrav replied:That christians believe in false doctrine is a given -- all christian sects have dogma that is demonstrably provable false. It doesn't require any "vision" to confirm that.
If a man sees a vision of jesus christ...he's got some serious mental illness. Get him some medical attention. Since there's no such thing as god, and jesus (if he ever lived) died a very long time ago, anyone that "sees" him is having hallucinations.
Peace.
i reply: how can a man have peace when the very nature of the question is asking about visions which you automatically say is mental illness. I guarantee you what i saw was a healing experience NOT psychotic break. The world calls PcP Cenil or "peace" and Anne Black Tracy (DR phd) declares it is anything BUT that... any police will tell you this!
link audio clip: http://6z98pa.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pTBt9fmTruZPk8LRGtChabJleYlnqGnkgYBkVbcwdqT98NYU8s_TI6fbHroeQGwBNaJRUprFdRwQC0pcklWU-Lg/HillyRoseClip200kpeopledieeachyearDrAnnblaketracey.wma?download
biggestj replied: Not really. How did he know that who he saw was Jesus? What was the proof? And was the man that had the vision on street drugs or even prescription drugs? Was the man dreaming?
i reply: answers with questions dreams and visions are supposed to be the same thing at one level, out of body experiences are another, interdimensional situations also bring types of dream visions. Drugs however do cause haluciantions. Dmt is a natural Brain drug, that allows dreams and visions to happen, on another level. God can use the mind to send a delusion, or a vision or a dream. but so can fallen angels and men who practice sorcery and mind control to assume it is the latter is always a mistake that unbelievers and athiests and yes "fools" rely upon to discredit the messenger.
messengers will discredit themselves given the opportunity. but missionaries and a people sent by God are usually killed.
gods lil replied: no if that is happining that means that jesus christ is calling you to be saved
i reply: well, that is a different technique but still just as common as shooting the messenger. demonize them and cry Heretic or Sinner! so that you yourself and your kind can feel superior. there was no sins to repent of. in my case alone, my sins were almost perfectly repented of, so much that I had forgotten most of the worst sins i had ever done, which amounts to about 6 sins.
earthaq replied: It proves nothing.
Jett replied: Having religious visions is also a sign common in mental institutions.
i reply: only said the brainwashed and mind controlled.
1sweet lady replied: No, on the contrary, if it really is Jesus, it may prove it is real.
mandylan replied: Jesus IS God! God became "flesh" as John 1:1 says.
perhapsiloveyoumore replied: No, because Jesus appeared to Saul in the road, and this doesn't change anything, it is how people take that apparition and try to turn into something of personal gain, Saul who changed his name to Paul, did not use it for personal gain and in fact was killed in the end because of it. But others have made statements that they have had a vision of Christ and then changed their aspect of what religion is for their own gain. God bless you always.
christianity will fall replied:it can prove that someone is delusional, noted im not an atheist but i give christianity no credibility.
john galt replied: VISIONS LIE!
Look at all the drug-induced visions in history that almost destroyed humanity:
1. The vision of Paul on the road to Damascus(Christianity)
2. The LSD visions of St. John on Patmos (Christianity)
3. The schizophrenic visions of Mohammad (Islam)
4. The schizophrenic visions of Joseph Smith (Mormons)
5. The delusional vision of Moses (BurningBush) (Judaism)
6. The stress-induced, fantastic visions of Buddha (Buddha)
7. The many visions of the Virgin Mary (Catholicism)
8. The megalomaniacal visions of Jesse DuPlantis (Charismatic)
What would religion be without visions?
i reply: your words are not true. false witness.
jan replied: Why do you think that Angels do not eat food?
Mannah was provided to the Hebrews who left Egypt, remember? It was Angelic food; food that sustains the spiritual body. Nothing weird about that;
Your comments simply don't work at all toward what you hope to accomplish with them;
But what the heck: hey, do you know what the word "mannah" means? It means "whats that?"
i reply: nowhere did I say angels do not eat food.
disciple replied:Peace be with you.
Read the bible for truth, use the Word of God as a measuring stick.
In the bible where have you heard of men seeing visions, what happen to them prior to a vision taking place?
Now when women have a vision, do they fall on their face as dead, or see the vision while they sleep as men do?
Angel just appears to women, right?
Therefore the answer is false doctrine? So it is up to you to find out why, and then apply what you have learned to all scripture.
The verse "remember Mary for she anointed Jesus at the hour of his death" is another clue. The 4 Gospels are full of clues as to the truth.
i reply: for ten to fifteen years i used the bible to measure the word of truth and compared it to the book of mormon. i never found anything significant to discredit anything. in the last place you something that is NOT "broken" to compare truth. the bible lacks the complete words of God and several key points that i know of. a missing word here, and mistranslated word there and there and there, and you have a whole society built up on traditions with a foundation of diverted messsages from God. it is true it has been proven. the trinity is the biggest hogwash doctrine of manmade beliefs. the rapture might be another.
bionicnahlege replied: If a man says he has seen Jesus, the shallow human question from another man to ask is, "What color was he?"
Jesus was short, dark and had an under developed beard or was he a women with breast implants and red hair.
The bible in itself can be used as false doctrine or propaganda. It has been revised and interpreted to suit mans purposes. Can you say, "Manifest Destiny?"
It justified slavery in Rome, America, Mexico, Asia just to name a few and today in america it justifies everything our government does when it wants to get something done. Even though church and state are suppose to be seperate. Wanna ban smoking? Pull out the bible and say its hurting our kids, get all the churchs to rally behind you and now you increase taxes which have put more money in the governments pocket and little none back to our kids.
i reply: What color was he? !!!! the vision i saw in the first 3 visions were shrouded by the glory of the Sun. so whatever i saw I SAW his glory first. i was overwhelmed to notice or to desire to notice anything else. but in a DREAM i saw a man that was white with a brown beard. was it jesus! i dont know, it couldve been an angel that was reaping souls. but i was calling upon the name of jesus and went looking for him.
but without dreams! the legacy of a white bearded God, saviour type is known world wide. the aztecs and the mayans both have similiar legends and the book of mormon also testifies of his color. the mormons had a common tradtion of teaching that God caused a mark to come upon the wickedness of man, to have a dark skin also happened to be a result. entire books have been written on this subject.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aj3t7sSymNJKtFkbWA20qmrty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20070306105428AAWE5LX
in any extreme calling me mentally ill whether it is intended or not should have all your accounts deleted, it is very offensive to me.
best answer given by: andrew w
jesus said, anything more than yes or no is evil. or something like it is recorded in the bible.
i reply: but not every question can be answered yes or no! because they are evil to being with.
jonnybravo replied:Yes some christians do believe in false doctrine .. no one can see christ in vision............ its all imagination
I reply: I dont think you know what youre TALKING About. imagination needs stimulous and some back ground. to see an angel in your bedroom defies all imagination even if it is satan himself. but to see a vision of christ means it was given from external origin
theirreverend replied:t proves that he is hallucinating like Moses & Paul & Mohamad.
i reply: another abomination answer
Mevlana replied: or that the man is having a psychotic episode or hallucinogenic drug experience?
i reply: another abomination answer. in defense of the gift of visions and prophecy and revelation. being drugged and induced to have a psychotic break happens because wicked men and criminals know how to do it. i confess that there are many times when my mind is drugged and poisoned because of these types of people. They do exist. but i never took any drugs of my own choice. and no man has been able to take away my ability to think rationally. Rage happens in these secret combinations of sorceries and witchcrafts. but for the most part its all the same evil wicked stuff.
the reason you speak of these things. like so many others, in a negative attitude is because of two primary sources of brain washing. either you practice these Sins and criminal acts yourself or you are brainwashed by society and psychology. Pyschology is used as a tool to denounce the existence of a God and explaining all mental illness as either biological or pathological. Evil has an external existence. almost every mental illness is caused by some type of pharmecutical. the very worst is satanic oppression and possession.
Lori K replied: ?????? Odd. Are you seeing visions of jesus christ? If so, it probably proves that you need psychiatric help. I think most Christians would agree with me on that.
i reply: Another abomination either brainwashed by Higher Learning or by her own sins of athiesm. credibility cannot be gauged by higher learning, proving that science First rejects the existence of God and then will not scientifically allow testimony as proof of the existence of God.
roxiecat replied: Can you elaborate on why this would prove belief in false doctrine? It's hard to answer a question that doesn't follow through with the train of thought.
i reply: its hard to answer a question with another question and then when people dont allow email to reply. testimony is a very legal and often abused proof of the existence of murder. false witness is a criminal act too. but when a person says they saw Jesus, i am pretty sure they believe it when it happens. And when athiests and unbeleivers die and experience their near death experience is their witness any less true, or completely True! the blind separate their spirit from their body and see jesus. this is also VERY TRUE. i am not alone in testimony, theirs and mine is proof.
listen to this audio link: http://hrqjrw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pTBt9fmTruZN_gSxPvJT_0cRtp94pWGir1E0JevnjIpVXKPJ0_sDiv_mMGXi76YwEpfw1PF1nGl5zkRsWPR5pEg/003seeingJesusAndtheBlind.wma?download
boomeran replied:No. In fact, it may prove (for the man at least) that some Christians believe in a TRUE doctrine.
nuno replied: can't just say christians....cause many religions have "bad churches" in them. always blame the church, not the book. For each religions book is pretty stable....its the churches that preach it that are unstable.
and no....for even the book says men will have visions and dreams.
RB replied: I don't see the relationship. Saul (Paul) saw Jesus.
ibs replied:How can this proove anything man, how do you know that you see jesus and not someone else. It doenst proove anything may the fact that you are thinking about jesus. Why not actually read some of the things he preaced and see for your self wether it is false or true
welltrav replied:That christians believe in false doctrine is a given -- all christian sects have dogma that is demonstrably provable false. It doesn't require any "vision" to confirm that.
If a man sees a vision of jesus christ...he's got some serious mental illness. Get him some medical attention. Since there's no such thing as god, and jesus (if he ever lived) died a very long time ago, anyone that "sees" him is having hallucinations.
Peace.
i reply: how can a man have peace when the very nature of the question is asking about visions which you automatically say is mental illness. I guarantee you what i saw was a healing experience NOT psychotic break. The world calls PcP Cenil or "peace" and Anne Black Tracy (DR phd) declares it is anything BUT that... any police will tell you this!
link audio clip: http://6z98pa.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pTBt9fmTruZPk8LRGtChabJleYlnqGnkgYBkVbcwdqT98NYU8s_TI6fbHroeQGwBNaJRUprFdRwQC0pcklWU-Lg/HillyRoseClip200kpeopledieeachyearDrAnnblaketracey.wma?download
biggestj replied: Not really. How did he know that who he saw was Jesus? What was the proof? And was the man that had the vision on street drugs or even prescription drugs? Was the man dreaming?
i reply: answers with questions dreams and visions are supposed to be the same thing at one level, out of body experiences are another, interdimensional situations also bring types of dream visions. Drugs however do cause haluciantions. Dmt is a natural Brain drug, that allows dreams and visions to happen, on another level. God can use the mind to send a delusion, or a vision or a dream. but so can fallen angels and men who practice sorcery and mind control to assume it is the latter is always a mistake that unbelievers and athiests and yes "fools" rely upon to discredit the messenger.
messengers will discredit themselves given the opportunity. but missionaries and a people sent by God are usually killed.
gods lil replied: no if that is happining that means that jesus christ is calling you to be saved
i reply: well, that is a different technique but still just as common as shooting the messenger. demonize them and cry Heretic or Sinner! so that you yourself and your kind can feel superior. there was no sins to repent of. in my case alone, my sins were almost perfectly repented of, so much that I had forgotten most of the worst sins i had ever done, which amounts to about 6 sins.
earthaq replied: It proves nothing.
Jett replied: Having religious visions is also a sign common in mental institutions.
i reply: only said the brainwashed and mind controlled.
1sweet lady replied: No, on the contrary, if it really is Jesus, it may prove it is real.
mandylan replied: Jesus IS God! God became "flesh" as John 1:1 says.
perhapsiloveyoumore replied: No, because Jesus appeared to Saul in the road, and this doesn't change anything, it is how people take that apparition and try to turn into something of personal gain, Saul who changed his name to Paul, did not use it for personal gain and in fact was killed in the end because of it. But others have made statements that they have had a vision of Christ and then changed their aspect of what religion is for their own gain. God bless you always.
christianity will fall replied:it can prove that someone is delusional, noted im not an atheist but i give christianity no credibility.
john galt replied: VISIONS LIE!
Look at all the drug-induced visions in history that almost destroyed humanity:
1. The vision of Paul on the road to Damascus(Christianity)
2. The LSD visions of St. John on Patmos (Christianity)
3. The schizophrenic visions of Mohammad (Islam)
4. The schizophrenic visions of Joseph Smith (Mormons)
5. The delusional vision of Moses (BurningBush) (Judaism)
6. The stress-induced, fantastic visions of Buddha (Buddha)
7. The many visions of the Virgin Mary (Catholicism)
8. The megalomaniacal visions of Jesse DuPlantis (Charismatic)
What would religion be without visions?
i reply: your words are not true. false witness.
jan replied: Why do you think that Angels do not eat food?
Mannah was provided to the Hebrews who left Egypt, remember? It was Angelic food; food that sustains the spiritual body. Nothing weird about that;
Your comments simply don't work at all toward what you hope to accomplish with them;
But what the heck: hey, do you know what the word "mannah" means? It means "whats that?"
i reply: nowhere did I say angels do not eat food.
disciple replied:Peace be with you.
Read the bible for truth, use the Word of God as a measuring stick.
In the bible where have you heard of men seeing visions, what happen to them prior to a vision taking place?
Now when women have a vision, do they fall on their face as dead, or see the vision while they sleep as men do?
Angel just appears to women, right?
Therefore the answer is false doctrine? So it is up to you to find out why, and then apply what you have learned to all scripture.
The verse "remember Mary for she anointed Jesus at the hour of his death" is another clue. The 4 Gospels are full of clues as to the truth.
i reply: for ten to fifteen years i used the bible to measure the word of truth and compared it to the book of mormon. i never found anything significant to discredit anything. in the last place you something that is NOT "broken" to compare truth. the bible lacks the complete words of God and several key points that i know of. a missing word here, and mistranslated word there and there and there, and you have a whole society built up on traditions with a foundation of diverted messsages from God. it is true it has been proven. the trinity is the biggest hogwash doctrine of manmade beliefs. the rapture might be another.
bionicnahlege replied: If a man says he has seen Jesus, the shallow human question from another man to ask is, "What color was he?"
Jesus was short, dark and had an under developed beard or was he a women with breast implants and red hair.
The bible in itself can be used as false doctrine or propaganda. It has been revised and interpreted to suit mans purposes. Can you say, "Manifest Destiny?"
It justified slavery in Rome, America, Mexico, Asia just to name a few and today in america it justifies everything our government does when it wants to get something done. Even though church and state are suppose to be seperate. Wanna ban smoking? Pull out the bible and say its hurting our kids, get all the churchs to rally behind you and now you increase taxes which have put more money in the governments pocket and little none back to our kids.
i reply: What color was he? !!!! the vision i saw in the first 3 visions were shrouded by the glory of the Sun. so whatever i saw I SAW his glory first. i was overwhelmed to notice or to desire to notice anything else. but in a DREAM i saw a man that was white with a brown beard. was it jesus! i dont know, it couldve been an angel that was reaping souls. but i was calling upon the name of jesus and went looking for him.
but without dreams! the legacy of a white bearded God, saviour type is known world wide. the aztecs and the mayans both have similiar legends and the book of mormon also testifies of his color. the mormons had a common tradtion of teaching that God caused a mark to come upon the wickedness of man, to have a dark skin also happened to be a result. entire books have been written on this subject.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aj3t7sSymNJKtFkbWA20qmrty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20070306105428AAWE5LX
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